Topic: Fishing


bran-aisling    -- Jun-2-2018 @ 4:50 PM
  Just got home from another fantastic week on the Northern rivers, just a family holiday with 2 boats out of Stalham. Great weather and excellent food & drink in the local pubs but annoyed to see 3 lots of holiday makers fishing the rivers, I accept that not everyone knows the rules but it is basic stuff and the law of the land. One fisherman I can forgive was the sight of a lovely otter floating on his back enjoying a roach up against the reeds just before Ranworth Dyke.
No complaints about him, after all it is his river! alas we will have to wait until September for our annual fishing trip!

Terry


spiderman    -- Jun-2-2018 @ 7:39 PM
  From todays Times.


sadie    -- Jun-3-2018 @ 10:26 AM
  Not sure if i like that idea or not,But we can fish ponds/lakes any time of year what do the rest of anglers on this site think.


Rebel    -- Jun-3-2018 @ 10:39 AM
  There is not much point in getting annoyed. It has already been proved that the close season is unnecessary. If the shiny trouser bottom people get their finger out hopefully in 2019 we will have an open season all year round. The fact that canal, enclosed lake and gravel pit fishing all year round has had no detrimental effect on the fish proves that the close season is an outdated byelaw that has gone on for too long.




sadie    -- Jun-3-2018 @ 10:58 AM
 
  True and it will be good for the boat yards local shops ect!


Rebel    -- Jun-3-2018 @ 3:07 PM
  Sadie:

I will make you completely right. I know it will not make an enormous amount of difference as a lot of boaters do not fish but every little trade is grist to the mill. I think there is a possibility that the small day boat hirers such as Maycraft (if they are still in business) would find a boost to their trade as anglers do tend to hire small boats in the area to fish around the Hickling area.

But.............. this argument has been going on for over three years and no doubt the shiny trouser bottom brigade have to do something to keep themselves in a job. How much longer is it going to go on? It happens in all areas where committees are involved including BA but that is another story. Just think of it, get paid for chewing the fat, gobbling free tea and biccies and possibly something stronger and all the jollies all paid for by us! Nice work if you can get it. I am retired now but did a proper job.  Tinhat Evil Grin


Jean&Brian    -- Jun-3-2018 @ 3:41 PM
  Being an angler for 60 odd years and a boater for half that time I am more than happy to respect the close season, if you cant exist for 3 months without wetting a line there are plenty of alternatives, I used to go sea fishing but there are plenty of other waters available,it is also not just the Broads but all flowing water that is affected.

               Brian


Dzign    -- Jun-3-2018 @ 5:07 PM
  The "commercial fisheries" tend to replace their fish every now and again so It looks like there is no damage being done..

L


Rebel    -- Jun-4-2018 @ 4:27 PM
  If anybody moored in the places that I do they would see that the rivers do replace their stocks naturally. Where I moor there are millions of fry much in excess to what is required. If they all survived the river would not be able to sustain their growth. Therefore a few boaters having a not too serious dabble and catching a few tiddlers on a cheap rod from Lathams will not affect anything. With all the fish kills in the Hickling area in recent years does not seem to deplete the stocks as is the salt surges.

I personally have noted the dearth of fishermen in recent years, possibly having lost interested in what they like to call a "sport" during close seasons. That is what happened to me. I built a boat instead and have never looked back. I still have a dabble for a couple of hours now and again but seeing what I have seen I really cannot see what difference it can make having possibly very serious fishermen on the banks during the close season weeks can make much difference.

In saying this, which I know many people will disagree with me. I am going to say something that loads of people will disagree with. Unless you are taking part in a recognised fishing match keepnets should not be used. I can see no point in imprisoning fish all day in a net, possibly scraping off their protective slime and opening them to disease just to prove by a picture at the end of the day what a wonderful fisherman you are. The majority of the people of this country would just yawn at the picture and get on with their lives.

Certainly during springtime keepnets should be banned anyway.

Please note that I was a very keen fisherman, bivvy, camping gear, secret baits, secret places, you name it, I did it. Oh yes, I forgot, some real biggies!

I am now looking for the tin hat

     Smile



This message was edited by Rebel on Jun-4-18 @ 5:29 PM


Simondo    -- Jun-4-2018 @ 5:16 PM
  You don't have to justify your opinion and shouldn't need a tin hat for voicing it  Wink  I'm though in the other camp whereas occasionally I do use a keepnet but mainly when targeting Bream and in such cases I have 2 overly large nets (no I'm not braggin  Smile  ). Until such time as they may ban them then I'll continue to do so.


expilot    -- Jun-4-2018 @ 6:50 PM
  Hear, hear, Rebel.  Keepnets on the upper Thurne are, as often as not, left in the water for an entire week, their contents then laid out on a bungalow's lawn for the bragging rights to be evidenced by a photograph.

Local otters have learned how safely to take the 'specimen' fish from keepnets.  This alone should persuade anglers that keepnets are not obligatory or desirable.

Match fishing may require the use of keepnets, but participating anglers are routinely witnessed dumping the day's catch back into the river as if they were dumping so much dross.



"There are old pilots.  There
are bold pilots............."


Rebel    -- Jun-5-2018 @ 9:39 AM
  I think it was last year that some fishermen around the Horning area were fined for leaving a keepnet full of fish in the water after they had packed up for the day and went around the pub.

As I have said before, I disagree with keepnets but if they must be used then they should be used humanely and the fish allowed to swim out of them at the end of the session, they should not be slid out of the nets from the bank. Just think of the damage this practice is to the protective slime.

If we must catch fish for a pastime then we should treat the fish with a bit of respect. I unhook my fish in the wet landing net and use the net to gently return them to the water. I never just throw them back no matter how small they may be. The bigger ones are photographed in the net before return.

Behaving in this manner in my opinion is much better for fish conservation than closing the season for three months. If the fish caught do have spawn in them they can get back and do what they need to do without too much hindrance.



This message was edited by Rebel on Jun-5-18 @ 10:42 AM


Dzign    -- Jun-5-2018 @ 1:02 PM
  I unhook my fish in the wet landing net and use the net to gently return them to the water. I never just throw them back no matter how small they may be. The bigger ones are photographed in the net before return.

Well said.... I don't think people realise what sort of damage they do catching a fish in a towel to hold it whilst they unhook it, either use your bare wet hand or leave it in the wet landing net if you can't manage this don't bother fishing...

L


Exile    -- Jun-6-2018 @ 9:04 AM
  " Behaving in this manner in my opinion is much better for fish conservation than closing the season for three months. If the fish caught do have spawn in them they can get back and do what they need to do without too much hindrance. "

Obviously, the best way to ensure fish conservation is to leave them completely alone, and to not fish at all.
That is obviously not going to happen. So all the methods being described on this thread will no doubt improve the situation and are to be applauded.
However, giving the fish a "holiday" as well must also help the situation. That seems patently logical and obvious to me. During the period of the closed season, fish cannot be harmed by the less capable and less caring anglers that are out there. Also, being unhindered by even knowledgeable anglers can only help.
A belt and braces approach to conservation. Good angling practice and a period of rest for the fish.

I should point out that is the perspective of a non angler.


Jean&Brian    -- Jun-6-2018 @ 10:42 AM
  Exile

As a lifelong angler I fully agree, I re-emphasise the close season applies to all river systems not just the broads and not only benefits the fish but nesting birds and other wildlife as well as allowing for the bankside vegetation to recover.

Although I don't fish anywhere during the close season there are options for those that wish to do so, all hunting, shooting & game fishing hobbies have close seasons and I see no reason to change things for commercial reasons.

             Brian



Karen&Mike    -- Jun-6-2018 @ 11:19 AM
  Exile, Jean & Brian,

Totally in agreement with you on this.

Mike only fishes on The Broads, something he tried on our first ever Broads holiday many years ago, having not fished since his childhood.  He enjoys a bit of gentle bank fishing from time to time as a leisurely way to spend the afternoon when we are moored up somewhere in the summer, he is not a "serious" angler at all. However,  he handles his catches with care and the right equipment and  won't use a keepnet. When you consider the high concentration of visitors to the rivers on The Broads, I wonder how many of those people are simply trying a bit of fishing on a one off basis and as total amateurs, with little knowledge or experience? I see plenty of unsupervised kids being handed a newly bought rod and left to have a go, and we regularly see youngsters ( more than adults ) trying to fish from a moving boat. So, I would suggest that the fish on The Broads in particular probably get more than their fair share of mishandling and deaths, so the closed season is most definitely needed.

This is just my opinion and based only and what we have seen over the years.

Karen

"Wind up the elastic band Karen - we're setting off!!"


Dzign    -- Jun-6-2018 @ 12:12 PM
  Exile I think that the problem a lot of anglers have is that the spawning season is out of kilter with the times that the fish are actually spawning.
I must add that as an angler I personally don't have a problem with the closed season, however the points made by anti's is a strong case and as the close season is at present(dates). it seems to be way of course.

L

This message was edited by Dzign on Jun-6-18 @ 6:30 PM


Simondo    -- Jun-6-2018 @ 5:02 PM
  There is as always more complexity in the detail than some of the views offered albeit all opinions welcome. I personally would abolish the current close season and offer a more species and venue specific one at the relevant times for the species. Also bear in mind that when fish spawn they attach their eggs to vegetation mainly, and a boat passing too close to lily pads etc could cause more damage than any angler.


Jean&Brian    -- Jun-6-2018 @ 6:18 PM
  Given the vagaries of the British climate there is never going to be an all encompassing close season without extending it, the spawning breeding time of all species of animal be it fish, bird or mammal and the growth of plant life varies year on year, how do you catch one species only when general course fishing, while it may not be perfect the current close season covers the majority of species most of the time.
                                                                    Brian



Simondo    -- Jun-6-2018 @ 6:48 PM
  Pike which are in particular suffering on the Broads (according to experts) breed a lot earlier then normal coarse fish so a Pike specific close season from Feb to April would be more appropriate.


TerryTibbs    -- Jun-6-2018 @ 7:05 PM
  “There is not much point in getting annoyed. It has already been proved that the close season is unnecessary. If the shiny trouser bottom people get their finger out hopefully in 2019 we will have an open season all year round. The fact that canal, enclosed lake and gravel pit fishing all year round has had no detrimental effect on the fish proves that the close season is an outdated byelaw that has gone on for too long.“

Utter and absolute drivel. The canal fishing in the UK is in the main dire, one of the major ones in the UK is known as the Trent and Misery because catches are so poor. Ponds and Lakes are not affected because they are constantly stocked. Fish any match and you will not catch immature fish, you catch fully grown fish.
Apart from that if you have ever caught a Bream for instance during the spawning season you would never dream of getting rid of the close season (try fishing in Holland in April/May) the fish are in very poor condition, covered in nodules.

Dave

if it is to be it is up to me.


Rebel    -- Jun-8-2018 @ 10:05 PM
  "Utter and absolute drivel"?

Ok, bye bye sort it out for yourselves. Will not be logging in again.

Over and out.

Rebel.


Paladine    -- Jun-9-2018 @ 6:36 AM
 
Rebel wrote, ”The fact that canal, enclosed lake and gravel pit fishing all year round has had no detrimental effect on the fish proves that the close season is an outdated byelaw that has gone on for too long.”

As a non-angler, but someone who is interested in informed debate, I would very much like to know where that “fact” comes from. My reading suggests that there are very few facts on this subject. Research is sketchy at best, and such that has been carried out, in this country and elsewhere, is inconclusive. It appears that any decisions on whether or not to scrap the closed season will be risk- based, rather than on a sound evidential basis.

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)


PCL023    -- Jun-9-2018 @ 6:54 AM
  Well I must say I do enjoy these debates, however nothing either way will likely change not matter what folks think or strongly believe in.
For me the closed session has always been there, it’s the same for my 12 year old and when we get to this point of the year with fishing licenses purchased, gear checked and ready, the feeling comes close to opening up the boat after its winter hibernation.

It’s all up to the powers that be at the end of the day. Closed lakes are there for folks that can’t wait.

Cheers

Paul




VetChugger    -- Jun-9-2018 @ 12:19 PM
  "The canal fishing in the UK is in the main dire"

If anything, that is Utter and absolute drivel! I fish regularly on the Calder & Hebble and have had some excellent catches and rarely have blank days. The same applies to the Aire & Calder and The Leeds & Liverpool canals. There is also strong custom for booking matches on these same canals. Not and indication of "dire fishing" methinks!

And, before "in the main" is quoted. the waterways I have named must comprise around 200 miles alone.

Trevor


Exile    -- Jun-10-2018 @ 9:23 PM
  An angling friend of mine lives in he Skipton area. He says that the local river Aire is fine but the Leeds and Liverpool canal is a waste of time.
Being a long canal it could be that the stretch that Vetchugger uses does the biz, whilst the Skipton area is naff. Or maybe one is simply a better angler that the other!



TerryTibbs    -- Jun-11-2018 @ 1:16 PM
  Trev, depends on your expectation and description of good catches. Ive tried to search for match returns for the L&L and can't find any. There are no loonger any big fishing matches held on the Canals which tells it's own story and this is against the background of a rennaisance in match fishimg on Englands rivers and thats not just club matches but Nationals as well.
On any fishery of 200 miles length you would find localised hot spots which people who fish it often will know about but on the whole I think Exy's mate is nearer the mark.

p.s. what I did find was reports of local fishing clubs stocking the C%H which may explain why some areas are better than the norm.

Dave

if it is to be it is up to me.

This message was edited by TerryTibbs on Jun-11-18 @ 2:19 PM


VetChugger    -- Jun-11-2018 @ 10:11 PM
  I tend to fish the Calder & Hebble mostly and I've had good mixed catched including a 20lb carp.
I fished the Leeds & Liverpool out near Gargrave and caught six good sized rainbows. A couple made fine dining for my Dad. I can't do with them myself.
Oddly enough my most unexpected totally blank day was on the supposedly "stuffed" River Wharf out at Poole.

Trevor


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