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Just because The BA make a request, don't automatically assume they have the powers to make such requests!! Keeping a careful eye on an Authority which is making it's own rules.

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Just to clarify now, I understand that this chap intends to only serve the needs of private boat owners.  How he intends to advertise his services,  and where and how he will operate I have no idea,  but at least now we have made our members aware of the risks.  

Perhaps it is his intention to only be at the bridge when he has a pre-arranged booking,  in which case this should alleviate any confusion for hirers,  although hopefully he would soon put them right...

I would be interested to know, however, what qualifications, rules, regs and requirements apply to anyone on The Broads wishing to offer up their services to transport people on the water by river taxi, or to helm boats through bridges etc.  I noted in the other thread about the new ferry service from the Ferry Inn at Horning that the Broads Authority have quite clearly stated that this person does not have permission to operate from Cockshoot 24 hour moorings, so does this mean, for example, that they cannot drop off there?

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If the pilot is an ex-pilot that used to work for
Faircraft, then I would say he's ok albeit with all
the correct insurances etc. in place.
Anyone know who he is?
As for the Ferry, I don't see how the BA could stop
anyone from picking up or dropping off anyone at
Cockshoot as that means that even I could not drop my
son off there to go fishing. Stop him from advertising
there with a sign, maybe. Or have I got that wrong?

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Nothing that my contact saw of the postings he made had any claims or reference to being an ex pilot.  I assume that if he was, he would have mentioned that to give credence to services ?

Re the water taxi service  for the Ferry Inn,  I assume,  from what the BA have said re Cockshoot is that no one can operate from the Moorings ie wait there, advertise there etc.  This being the same as any taxi service on the roads - they cannot sit and wait anywhere, only designated and authorised points.

Dropping off however I guess it's different,  as without any advertising there it's not likely that someone would ring him for his services in the first place, and of course the pick up and drop off will be the same location in this scenario of a river taxi.  And to pick up on Bills final point , there will surely always be a difference between an individual using the 24 hour moorings and a business,  how far this goes is another matter , hence  my questions.  The ice cream boat for example presumably has some sort of operating license to tootle around and be hailed for an ice cream at any opportunity,  pulling up alongside the customers boat or on the moorings themselves.

I'm genuinely interested not least because when my dear dad retired he decided not to be bored and went through all manner of hoops to enable him to do a bit of part time taxi-ing for a friends business (which took actors to and from Yorkshire TV studios).

Karen  

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My guess is the issue with the Ferry Inn service is that he may be operating without a Passenger Licence - these are different to a  normal licence and further requirements need to be met.

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Well if he chooses to operate a business without professional indemnity insurance then that's a matter for him and his customers. To operate without public liability insurance is another matter, and one that I wouldn't wish to comment on, not being a lawyer.

On the subject of liability in the event there was damage to a customer's vessel (or indeed any other vessel, or injury to a person), there is something that all users of any pilot service may wish to consider: There is a large amount of case law to the effect that the master of a vessel remains in control of that vessel at all times, even if a pilot is on board and at the helm. This applies whether the vessel is a small Broads cruiser going under Wroxham Bridge, or a 100,000 ton container ship berthing at Harwich or Felixtowe.

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A few weeks ago we were moored at The New Inn, when the water taxi service from the Ferry Inn arrived and dropped his passengers of along side us.

kindest regards

Kevin Cook

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