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Karen&Mike
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From time to time, we have been at our moorings and had to "move along" hire boats who have tried to come in to a vacant spot.

Now I haven't moaned about this before but it has frustrated me many times, and has left me wondering how many times its happens when there's nobody there... (only a handful a boats moored in our cut)

However, sunday mornings little event really takes the biscuit. There we were, having a lie-in after the truly wild and "high seas" previous night and resultant lack of sleep.... I was just waking up at about 8.45 when I heard a bow thruster being hammered, a few feet from my head! After about 5 or 6 times I got a bit nervous about what was going on (there's just a yacht moored up behind us!) Mike was getting up at this point so he went outside...

...to find a large hire cruiser trying to come in behind us (the yacht is still in the yard so the space is empty). MIke of course explained, politely, that he couldn't come in as they were private moorings. This seemed to fall on deaf ears and the guy carried on, then saying that he wouldn't be staying long, he just wanted to fill up with water! Now Mike has more patience than me in these circumstances so continued to reiterate that the moorings were private. The guy was having none of it, insisting, gruffly, that "waters free isn't it".

It took some time for Mikes point to sink in - that the provision of water on our mooring was for those of us who had payed for the privilege, just as we had paid for the mooring, and that he would have to go to a public facility. He was still insistent on using the quay heading and the hose, so Mike really had to stand his ground and finished up having to say "I'm telling you, you are NOT coming in to a private mooring" and he had to stand there until this guy moved away. It took some time, and the guys attitude was somewhat arrogant.

There is a public water facility just 3 or 4 mins away  and I'm afraid that this sort of arrogance/ignorance/stupidity - call it what you like - is just not accceptable in my book, and there can be no excuse for it. When we hired for the first time, we didn't barge around stopping wherever we liked or running out of water. We read the info, listened to the boatyards instructions, bought a Broads map and worked out where there were moorings (public or otherwise), water facilities etc etc.

I know I may need my tin hat on here, but I stick to my opinion. And I'm sure that the other boat owners in our cut wouldn't want us to turn a blind eye to hire craft popping in for a while, possibly banging a boat or two in the process and partaking of the facilities we have all paid dearly for.

Karen

EDIT - To add that this all took place bang in front of the large "PRIVATE MOORINGS" sign!

"Wind up the elastic band Karen - we're setting off!!"

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Happens a lot Karen, all over the Broads.

In our Woods Dyke days we saw enough and Ferry seems to attract them too.

I wouldn't even think about mooring up at a private spot and I don't think most others would either. I know Perry has had words with hire boats in Ferry as have I and the normal answer isn't repeatable on this forum. I once saw Acapulco take the private mooring up Ferry's dyke,crew left the boat and headed straight for the pub. A local reminded them that it was private and the response from one of the girls in the group was **** them.

Needless to say, the owner returned to his mooring and wasn't a happy bunny      

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No need for the tin hat, Karen...you're absolutely right...these arrogant gits need to be told!

We returned to our mooring to find a group of anglers helping themselves to our spot. They moaned and groaned when we politely informed them that it was private and wasn't a public access area. They were also not about to move their rods until I explained to them the physics of the likelihood of said rods surviving an encounter with a 5 tonne boat.

Incidentally, this took place next to a sign written in big letters saying, amongst other things, "Private Dyke" and "No Fishing". They even left their gear and said "we'll be back later to collect it". It was only after I insisted that if they didn't remove it there and then, they would need a diver to retrieve it that they reluctantly cleared it away. They were some of the most arrogant people we have ever encountered.

Another instance of unbelievable arrogance was the skipper of a rough old yacht wanting to moor in the space behind us late one evening. I advised him that it was strictly private and that people pay good money for the privilege and his reply was "Well, it's not being used is it?" After several exchanges, each one becoming a little more heated, he mumbled something about "sail boats have a right to moor anywhere" and tried to leave only to find he was stuck fast on the mud! This guy was obviously a knight of the river. He and his cohorts then spent the next 20 minutes noisily trying to extricate themselves from this predicament.

When we awoke the next morning, we heard more raised voices as the arrogant skipper had moored his nasty shed at someone's private riverside property!  Gasp

The owner of the property was not best pleased and was slightly less subtle than me in his approach. He 'explained' the situation to the errant skipper in no uncertain terms. When the skipper protested, the property owner promptly removed the skipper's ropes by means of a very sharp machete-like object!

That was the end of the verbal exchange!  Smile

John

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Do you reef on the Sea of Tranquility?

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last year while hiring from richardsons we ended up moored on private moorings just out side horning.
The steering pin fell out of the wheel leaving us with no steering, at the time the river was really busy and heading straight towards us was a great big tour boat. scary to say the least.:80: Having ended up nose in to a tree we managed to walk it round and safely moor on the bank infront of a private house, we knocked on the door but nobody was in and phoned the boat yard, then sat and waited to be rescued !!
while we waited, tea in hand, we watched the boats passing
Amazingly we had fists shook at us, people beeping and pointing to the private sign and people just shouting at us, not one person came to see if we were ok even after we used a red t-shirt as a flag which our handbook told us was the distress signal ( we only put it up to give people a clue ) we were a little surprised by people !!:(
Now i know the circumstances you are describing are completly differant and we would never deliberatly moor on private moorings, but I thought i would point out, that all is not always as it seems.    Smile

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Ah well, at least I feel better now knowing we are not alone in our frustrations!

Ian - I think perhaps the lack of quite a few boats (still out of the water) possibly meant the cut looked a bit wider than usual! And the water hose he had spotted is just by us, near the front of the cut, so with two vacant spots and what he probably thought was a deserted mooring, perhaps he thought he could get away with it! This was probably the biggest boat that has tried to get in, they are usually smaller,  or else they have mudweighted right across the cut entrance. Grrrr.

A word or two in explanantion can usually do the trick, but some people just think they can do what they want. Perhaps if I popped round to their house for a picnic in the garden or to use their hosepipe to wash my car, they might just get the picture...

Karen

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Do you reef on the Sea of Tranquility?

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Hi Karen,

What you need is a Roya! We have lots of hire boats trying it on on our mooring, and I find it really annoying too. If our landowner is about she soon shifts them with an upmarket version of 'Get off my land' which I mention to would be squatters. Roya, however is in a league of his own! Scared
We were coming back from a spin on Rondonay (oops shouldn't have mentioned that  Evil Grin ) when we saw a boat moored next to Josh and taking on water.
'Get me in there' mutters Roya and the second we touched he was off and at 'em like a terrier! The display of righteous indignation scared me let alone them! The upshot was that  they paid £3 for the water,placed on the jetty and retired from to a safe distance, (this was duly passed on to the landowner), then they scuttled off asap!!
I think we could hire him out for Forum fundraising!

Pauline

'Stop it you silly ass!' cried the Rat from the bottom of the boat 'You can't do it! You'll have us over!'

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Hi Broadsbean

Yes of course - an emergency situation is quite different, as is any case where somebody needs help. Last year a chap lost his outboard (dropped it in the middle of the Broad). He didnt want to loose his position so that he could get a diver to look for it, but didnt know what to do or who to call. He shouted over to us and we helped him out, getting him in to the cut on a dinghy and making a few phone calls.

We have always found boaters to be very helpful and kind, from our very first Broads holiday, and have followed the example set. But some folk are just taking the ****!

Karen



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Karen,
You are right! Stick to your guns, forceful but polite is the answer I believe.

Broadsbean,
In an emergency I cannot believe that any owner would mind a polite request for assistance or, in their absence, a short stay whilst awaiting assistance as you describe.

John

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