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Nickpusey
May-23-2014 @ 7:49 AM                           Permalink
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Hello, I have owned My 28' Herbert woods cruiser ( Summer breeze) for 3 years and have had loads of fun with her, I would like to take the next step with her and take her to sea, I have the experiences itch sailing as I work at sea for a living. I would just like to know if other people had done this and if it's safe todo so?



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Hi Nick

I'm no expert, but the advice often given on here is don't! This is due to the very low freeboard on most broads river cruisers and their susceptibility to any kind of swell.

No doubt an expert will be along soon with some further information.

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M & M

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Don't do it!

One of the main problems with Broads sailing boats is there underwater
form.  Basically they are very flat bottomed along with the fact (already
mentioned) that they have little sheer.  In the southern North sea and
particularly off this coast where the tide is strongest it takes little
weather to kick up a 'Chop' which will result very quickly in this type of
craft  'pounding' Again, one reason Broads boats are so good on the
Broads is
they have a light construction with the scantlings of the floors
(supporting the keel) not designed to take these kind of stresses.  Many
of these types of boat also have a method of construction where roves
are not used and instead the copper nails are simply turned over at
90 Deg.. Again a very successful construction for inland and flat waters
but
not suitable for the sea.  As somebody who spent over 40 years at sea,
and know this coast well I don't recommend that you take her out.



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Many have been out, and returned safe and well! The choice, obviously, is yours Smile  it depends what you want to do, and how happy you are with the condition of your boat, most who have tend to have a bolted down fore hatch with cover and beef up the mast gate on the tabernacle. Also look at the windows, hoppers leak badly. Most herbie woods are not flat bottomed they have quite a full underwater shape and most were built with Rove's, if it's a quick trip round the bay on a nice day why not? As long as you know about your navigation etc, other broads boats like broad ambition have been great distances and they are equally unsuitable.

Cheers

Chris

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The other point is that the keels are specially adapted for the broads,
they have been shortened by design and are heavily ballested, in
order to produce a shallow drafted craft, suitable for sailing on most
of the broads, which might only be 3 feet deep in places.

This will certainly affect it's sea performance.

There are sea conditions that are suitable for the simplest of craft at
times, but as said, squalls and big waves can occur quickly.

Also, the bow wave from a coaster a mile or so away, will eventually
hit you, and that can be quite alarming, can be a six foot wave.

I have been out at Great Yarmouth with my father in his Sunstar 18
cabin yacht under such conditions, also circumnavigated Anglesey
including the swellies, but the sunstar was designed to self rite in the
event of a total knock down. If felt very safe indeed.

A cruise in company might be the way to try it out.

best regards, Richard.
I can't wait to be back on the Broads.


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quote:

......"As somebody who spent over 40 years at sea, and know this coast well I don't recommend that you take her out."......


Ditto ...... and I echo Cocklegat's sentiments.

Steve & Maggie.

Magellan (Westward 38)

Not quite an ancient mariner ..... though some say he was at sea before Pontius was a pilate !

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I have been to the Azores in a folkboat but I would not go out in a Broads River Cruiser. There are dozens of reasons why not but it all boils down to the design is just not up to it. As already said the fore hatch arrangement is a no no! But if you were to get swamped you could be in all sorts of trouble before you cleared the water.

Captain Howe.

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I'd be highly inclined to say don't do it.

Others have already mentioned the low freeboard, forehatch, and general plan of Broads cruisers that effectively makes them open boats for the purposes of dealing with swamping, waves, etc.

If you picked your weather, then I'm sure you could do Yarmouth to Lowestoft, or possibly even Southwold without coming to harm, but you'd be trusting quite a lot to luck, and I don't think that's a particularly wise move.

If you really want to sail at sea, the easiest answer is probably to get a different, more suitable boat.

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Not a thing I would do on Brilliant, but it's your call of course.
Brilliant is a Press yacht and very flat bottomed, she would slap on waves and I would not be confident that her hull would not suffer.
Low freeboard on Brilliant and a lifting cabin roof with canvas sides. No self drain on the cockpit, no weather boards on the access to the cabin, forehatch would need battening down and sealing.
Then she is a gaffer with a big sail area to cope with the rivers, on the sea she would be over canvassed.


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Post edited as personal attacks are against the NBF Terms Of Service.

This message was edited by Dibbler on May-23-14 @ 3:30 PM

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