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Dzign
Oct-16-2017 @ 1:55 PM                           Permalink
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Yes M&P I used to see loads just by throwing a slice of bread of the back of the boat was almost like a dinner gong to them, funnily enough when I do that now all I seem to get is seagulls.
There was some discussion on our marina a week or so ago, only a few people had seem any coots although one guy had seen one.... up a tree!!!
What I want to know is when are we gonna get some beavers released on the Broads maybe above Potter there is lots of room there for them.....lol

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We might not get to see the Beavers as we have to approach via Thetford Forest and they wan't to introduce Lynx so may be our demise before we see water.
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If they don't get us they will certainly put up the price of a bacon sandwich.


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Don't forget the wolves and bears once native to this land....
Guess that would put paid to boaters wanting to wild moor

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Oct-17-2017 @ 4:12 AM                           Permalink
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The Bears and Wolves might help naturally with the Otters. Wild moorings would need to be well trapped tie those willow saplings down and have a coracle river side on stand by at all times.
The best look out I have found, is to tell ole Marge that Amazon are going to deliver her a new pair of shoes by drone. Keeps her on her toes for hours.
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Marge and Parge.
Ah The Drone more vermin thrown into the mix sorry to go off topic.
edited to correct spelling (its early)

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Oct-17-2017 @ 9:08 AM                           Permalink
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P&M posted,
"Glad your finding so much activity where the otters are not in residence."
What convinces you that otters are not in the flood dykes or the Trinities?



Also whilst it is indisputable that drones are without doubt vermin.... otters, being part of the natural order of things, are certainly not.





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Can only answer your queries by saying we have never seen otters in either venue.
Rats are part of a natural cycle and are classed as vermin. We actually never said that otters were vermin just that they had no predators only humans.
Sorry that's as technical as it gets. We just look at the decline in the number of ducks moorhen. Also the numbers of large fish that are being caught in certain areas of Broadland and mostly there are otters in residence nearby.
Still on the plus side it keeps the bird Cr*p off the boat there is always a positive.
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Oct-17-2017 @ 3:28 PM                           Permalink
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The subject of declining wildfowl has been aired many times in the recent past and I have never responded. In these postings there appears to be a good few people who have noticed the apparent reduction and some who think that there is no change but the birds are all hiding in soak dykes etc.  Based on my personal observations over the 10 years of owing our own boat and therefore being afloat thought most of the year,it is my  personal opinion that there is without doubt far less ducks, coots. moorhens  & grebes than there were a few years ago and this has been a gradual reduction which seems to have accelerated in the last couple of years. On the other side of the coin I have seen quite a few otters recently and it is my belief that there is a link between the two. Far from being lovely & shy otters are nasty aggressive top predators with no natural enemies and are protected by law.  The pro otter camp point out that otters are fiercely territorial which Is true, from what I have read it is estimated that a male will control about 4 miles of river bank  so on the assumption that a pair can successfully raise say for babies, over a short number of years the population will raise exponentially as will be the otter controlled territory, I suspect that this is what is happening now.  Because they have no enemies and their numbers will increase without control I can foresee a time when the twitches and anglers will get together to lobby for a cull of them.  In my view Just because an animal was once common it is not an excuse to reintroduce it without any form of control or monitoring.  

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Bob

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Oct-17-2017 @ 7:21 PM                           Permalink
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I have to agree with still-cruising and many others that there is undoubtedly a big decline in water-fowl since the introduction of the Otter and many birds like Coots only seem to reside in any concentrations on places like the Trinity Broads and a few other large bodies of water where there are few or no Otters. It has been well established that the Otters staple food was the Eel which had all but disappeared prior to the Otters release. Eels were relatively easy for them to catch as they could grub them out of the mud during the day, most other fish are much quicker and more harder for them to catch with one or two exceptions, so what does the Otter do ? He finds something that can sustain him and and is not to difficult to catch, yes the ducks their eggs and chicks and it is so noticeable. In my opinion it was a big mistake and irresponsible to release Otters when the Eels had almost disappeared. So what happens when the waterfowl declines to such an extent the Otter has to find another food source ? I'm waiting until the Bittern and Marsh Harriers decline, that is when the proverbial will real hit the fan and it will.          



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Oct-17-2017 @ 10:40 PM                           Permalink
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P&M posted,
"Also the numbers of large fish that are being caught in certain areas of Broadland and mostly there are otters in residence nearby."

And there we have it... I was waiting for it to come to the surface. Backed up by the two following posts too.
The truth behind Otters lack of popularity with some is nothing to do with birds, rather it is fish. This is an Angling issue rather than a general wildlife concern.
In my experience general wildlife enthusiasts are very much in favour of natural balances with all the flora and fauna that involves. I only know of Anglers that think otters should be eradicated.




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Still cruising wrote,
"The pro otter camp point out that otters are fiercely territorial which Is true, from what I have read it is estimated that a male will control about 4 miles of river bank  so on the assumption that a pair can successfully raise say for babies, over a short number of years the population will raise exponentially as will be the otter controlled territory,"

When Otters grow up they are forced from their parents territory and have to move on to try to find their own. That leaves only the original otter in his large stretch of river. So the population on a particular stretch does not grow at all. The Broadland rivers have been pretty much fully "occupied" for years now.

Incidentally there are otters in the Trinities area. Also, otters go in soke dykes too.

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