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Dzign
Jun-11-2018 @ 11:27 AM                           Permalink
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Spent Sat night at Potter the amount of paddle boards that passed us was huge, they are more of a pain in the posterior than the day boats, groups of anything up to 10 boards covering the entire width of the Thurne.
When we left after lunch to head back to Wroxham they were all over the place, are they free from obeying the rules of the river it doesn't seem so, one board was happily paddling down the middle of the river in between two hire boats travelling in opposite directions! We got to the Ant mouth and around 7 just came straight out in front of the cruiser in front of me, all in a row some lay on the boards paddling with their hands, a big problem and some serious reverse revs you could not see these boards as they were on the wrong side of the river and hidden by the foliage/reeds and they just kept on coming, somebody is going to get hurt before long

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Annual event, Norfolk Classic SUP race.  Should be quiet again now it’s over.  Live and let live.

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Met three paddle boarders at Brundall. They kept close to the Surlingham bank and were no problem to navigation.
Next day met another two on The Fleet into Rockland Broad; they moved over to let us pass.
Only one of them wore a life jacket. Apart from that as a previous poster says Live and Let Live.

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Jun-11-2018 @ 11:32 PM                           Permalink
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Live and let live squashed between two opposing boats good luck with that one, I guess most of us know who will win in that event.
I'm not attempting to get them stopped but would be interested in knowing if they are able to go where they want when they want on the river regardless, boats as most of us are aware don't stop on a sixpence so if these muppets come out of nowhere and jump in front of a boat I hope they can ride the wash as well as the swans do.

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Paddle boards come under the Navigation Bye Laws as "Manually propelled vessels", so the persons propelling them are subject to those bye laws. But then we know that not everyone keeps to the bye laws, no matter what type of craft they're in charge of.

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)


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“Muppets”? is that the name used for someone who dares to use your waterway

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C'mon folks  - stop having a go at Dzign because he raised a genuine topic that may not fall into a fluffy bunny category ! This is a forum about the Broads and we must surely welcome debate about anything that happens there.

A muppet is a term used for anyone doing something rather daft,  I see no problem with anyone using it to describe some general behaviour by any river user that was felt by the poster to have been silly at best, reckless at worst.  I've seen it used before in relation to private owners, hirers, day boat users, swimmers.  I don't see anything about it or in Dzign's  comments that infers he sees it as relative to anyone/everyone else using the rivers, rather just those doing something he saw as silly or dangerous.

Personally,  I am interested in the issue of paddle boarding on the Broads and how this could develop,  not least because I don't want to end up being responsible for injuring anyone if the boards with people laid down on them are difficult to see.  So Dzign  has raised a valuable topic and I hope we can all continue to discuss this.

One thing that springs to mind for me is does a paddleboard require a toll?

Karen

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Thanks Karen like I was saying I haven't got a problem with the idea of paddle boarding but this was plain and simply stupid and dangerous, even without a collision putting the emergency brakes on can cause problems on board a boat.
If you think it's clever paddling a board in the middle of the river between big lumps of fibreglass that can't even see you crack on lad...

L

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Karen&Mike said, "C'mon folks  - stop having a go at Dzign because he raised a genuine topic that may not fall into a fluffy bunny category !"

K&M, the OP was couched in very aggressive terms, against a group of Broads users who may, or may not, be represented on this forum. The aggression has been continued in his subsequent posts. If a sensible debate was being suggested why not, as you have done, ask a simple question. I have answered the question contained in the OP, but the diatribe against the paddlers continues.

To answer your own question, the Registration Bye Laws state " “Vessel” includes a sailboard and every description of craft used or capable of being used for transportation by water and any raft, pontoon or similar floating or submersible structure capable of being moved under its own power or under tow."

So paddle boards have to be registered and tolled (unless being used under a Visitor's toll).

I would welcome a rational discussion about paddle boards, as it is a subject not well explored here and the event that has just taken place is (I believe) the eighth one to date. They usually pass off without comment and attract competitors from overseas, as well as the UK.


"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)

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Thanks for the info Mr P.

I don't feel the OP was very aggressive. Direct maybe, strong feelings - yes, but nothing that required moderation. Saw worse in the infamous "stag do" thread  Playful Wink  

At the end of the day I hope the discussion can continue and I can't blame anyone for airing their experiences, good or bad, as found in all the river user groups. I respect your view on the OP tone, and can only ask everyone to read and take note of all the comments here, so the thread can continue.

Karen

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