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Have to say that I see Paladine's view on this.
Why are day boats a pain? And why are paddle boards a bigger pain still?

Paddle boards are relatively new to the Broads. We have to accommodate them as they have just as much right to be here as any of us. The more crowded the broads become with different craft, the more we all have to adjust our behaviour, attitudes and expectations to allow for that.

Don't forget that motor boats were once the new kids on the block, and would have been seen then as right pain by the sailing boats.



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"Don't forget that motor boats were once the new kids on the block, and would have been seen then as right pain by the sailing boats."

Not much has changed then  Tinhat

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”If you think it's clever paddling a board in the middle of the river between big lumps of fibreglass that can't even see you crack on lad...”

If the helm of any craft can’t see something on the water that’s at least 6’ long, over 2’ wide, carrying a person, I have to wonder who the real muppet is.


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Thanks hedgehog, I can use a dictionary.

Daft, gormless, however you wish to describe something seen of that nature. It's not very aggressive as a term is it. We don't surely want censorship to go too far on here.

And as far as I can see no one was suggesting that paddleboarders have less rights to use the waterways than anyone else.  Dare I say there seems to have been a bit of overreaction to what some of you feel was overreaction by the OP.

Personally I've only ever seen 2 or 3  paddle boarders and yes, they were easy to spot,  but laid on that board, or in the reeds  may not be so easy to see,  so as a result  of the topic being raised we will all have to keep a close eye out.  I have no idea how the  situation Dzign mentioned came about, but perhaps he can elaborate on that.  I do agree with him that coming straight out of the Ant in front of boat  on the Bure is probably not the best course of action.  In fact this happened to us just two weeks ago  when a cruiser came out of the Ant in front of us and the, let's say "mature " person at the helm was actually looking across the reeds through binoculars and not at the river.  Luckily we were only doing about 3 mph at most  but I was at the helm and still had to shove it into reverse to ensure there was no chance of collision,  particularly as we were being overtaken at the time by two other boats so I couldn't take a wider line.  I think it's fair to say that I consider the helmsman with his binoculars to be a Muppet !

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:lol:

Love Jason Segel. Even when he's playing a muppet!

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Sorry but have to say if you have not been out on the river during a paddle board race you have no idea what a problem this could  become three abreast across the river cutting across in front of you .sorry but only a matter of time before someone is hurt,maybe this could be regulated as we are for the safety of everyone staying on the correct side of the river would be a start.30 plus paddle boards weaving across in front of you does not make for a tranquil trip on the river.


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I have motored through a bevy of Three Rivers competitors, Thurne Mouth Regatta in full flow and Horning Sailing Club racers (to name just a few). Give me a riverful of paddle-boarders any time!

"...maybe this could be regulated as we are for the safety of everyone staying on the correct side of the river would be a start."

Just a couple of points. As I have already posted, paddle boards are subject to the same regulations as any other vessels (the Navigation Bye Laws), so I see no need for any more regulation. Sailing races are held in accordance with those bye laws, and in accordance with the Racing Rules of Sailing. It appears that the SUP race in question is staged by Martham Boats and is probably (I can't confirm this) held in accordance with GBSUP rules, which are geared towards competitor conduct to other competitors and not towards compliance with local regulations. They specifically state that each competitor is responsible for their own navigation.

What is "the correct side of the river"? The bye laws don't say there is any "correct side". They say: "The master of a power-driven or manually propelled vessel proceeding along a channel shall when it is safe and practicable to do so keep to the side of mid channel which lies on the starboard or right hand side of the vessel".

Practicable = capable of being put into practice. The paddle boarders might argue that it was not practicable to keep to the starboard side of mid channel, as that side was already taken up by other paddle boards. There is not much point in a race that requires competitors to follow each other round the course in single file.

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