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AndyMorley
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Hi, all, I'm a new member and I have a very specific agenda - depth of water in the rivers Waveney and Yare.
In July (weather permitting) I may well be first mate in a crew bringing the Nancy Blackett to the Broads, _if_ we can.  Our choices will be very much limited to the Yare and the Waveney because of her mast but depth will also be a factor and my copy of Hamiltons Guide to the Broads is almost as old as I am Frown
I favour the Waveney for purely sentimental reasons - as a very young teenager in the late '60s I took the Wherry Albion from her mooring in the the North Rivers (helped by my Dad Ken Morley and his mate Johhny Robbins) on a cruise that took us all the way to Geldeston Lock, an encounter with the redoubtable Susan and what was either my first or second ever drink of real beer in an actual pub (the other was in the Thurne Lion).  The Albion only draws around 3' and has a dropping mast, The Nancy is a different kettle of fish and would only make it just as far as just below Beccles because of the bridge.  But what's the depth of water like these days?
I believe that the 'official line' is that the Nancy draws 6', but I think it's more like a 5' that got inflated a bit to keep us all on our toes.
I'd also be interested to hear people's views on the respective challenges of Lake Lothing and Mutford Lock versus the delights of Yarmouth, its 'Dolphins' and Breydon Water.  I'd guess that neither of those would be as 'interesting' as getting in and out of the Deben but then the Deben is 'the Devil we know' and I for one know less about getting in and out of Yarmouth and Lowestoft so I'd be interested to hear your views on this too.
Looking forward to tapping in to your collective wisdom!
Andy Morley
https://nancyblackett.org



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Hi Andy

Welcome to the forum. Sounds like you have an adventure coming up, and I'm sure there will be some members who can offer more useful thoughts than I can on your trip!

In the meantime, thanks for joining in.

Take care and all the best, Karen

"Wind up the elastic band Karen - we're setting off!!"

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P.S the Nancy Blackett - a special and beautiful craft. Wonderful work that the trust has done to ensure she can be enjoyed by others. Big thumbs up from me.

K.

"Wind up the elastic band Karen - we're setting off!!"

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Thanks for that Karen.  So far, my online research has taken me to this web site:
http://www.broads-authority.gov.uk/boating/navigating-the-broads/water-depths/river-waveney
Which gives detailed maps, colour-coded for depth for example this one:
http://www.broads-authority.gov.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0005/399740/DEPTH__Aldeby-Reach.pdf
This seems to say that there is at least 2-2.5 metres at MLW along the Waveney with shallow areas at bends clearly highlighted in red and yellow.  Since I've now established that our actual draught is 1.4 metres (4'7"), navigating up to Beccles Bridge ought not to be a problem making use of these modern maps, supplemented by my ancient Hamilton's guide.  If anyone can fault my logic, please feel free as I don't want to go wrong here.  

My only concerns are crossing Oulton Broad itself, which is shallower than the river but should be OK at high tide, and also I would like to find out if a problem reported in the past with the mechanism for opening Mutford Lock has been resolved - I'm assuming that is the case but I would like to know for sure.  I gather from an EDP article dated 2016 that the charge to use the lock is £13 and that this includes a short visit permit to the Broads - can anyone here verify that figure?  Are there any other charges we would incur?

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My yacht draws 1.4m and I have just returned from 10 days on the Southern Rivers, having covered everywhere from Yarmouth to Norwich, Beccles and Oulton Broad without any depth problems.
Similarly, the Bure from Yarmouth to Wroxham seems OK.  The Ant gets shallow and Irstead is a definite no-no at 1.3m and less.
Some of the edges are shallow, some not, there is not always a logic to whether it is an inside or outside bend - this is Norfolk after all.

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Have you checked out this page http://www.broads-authority.gov.uk/boating/owning-a-boat/tolls/short-visit-toll It makes no mention of combined passage and toll (which someone asked me some time ago but I never did find out) "If at first you don't  succeed try and try again"
http://www.broads-authority.gov.uk/boating/navigating-the-broads/bringing-your-boat-from-overseas  There is this page too again no mention of joint payment nearest Toll Office is Reedham Quay


Peter

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Thanks Pampatha, that's really helpful.  Surveys and maps are all well and good but there's nothing like benefiting from someone who's been there and bought the T-shirt Smile


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I think you're right Peter - looks like we'll need to pay the £50+ quid short-visit toll as well as the £13 for Mutford lock.  I'm guessing that whoever wrote the 2016 EDP article that I read was proposing a combined fee as a good idea (and it would save a lot of admin) and that it was 'blue sky' talk rather than actual implemented process.  However, looking on the bright side, if we have to pay for a week anyway, it might make sense to visit Yarmouth, the Yare and lower reaches of the Waveney as well as going Beccles way!

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Nice looking boat, when are you coming we will be on the southern broads at the end of july would be nice to see her afloat.

Regards

Adrian  Michelle

Beck  Braydon and Mere.

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:)
Also quite a famous boat under her 'alter ego' The Goblin:
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/arthur-ransome/images/c/c4/Wd_puffin_cover.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20110716095557
We can't say exactly what the timetable will be as it's so dependant on weather.  We don't have a huge distance to come (from The Orwell) but it involves co-ordinating a number of different volunteer crews and because of her age, we don't put to sea in a force 5 or above.  But I can keep you posted via this forum as to how things go if you like.

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