The Norfolk BroadsThe Norfolk Broads
Username Password
Norfolk Broads Weather

Mon, 11 Apr 2016 7:20 am BST- Light Rain
5 Day Forecast

Wind 2.0 mph @ 40°
48.0°F/8.89°C Humidity 93% Pressure 29.65 (S)

Welcome to The Norfolk Broads Forum
This is THE Worlds Largest Forum devoted to the Norfolk Broads, here you can discuss issues about the Norfolk Broads. Or just somewhere to chat with others interested in the Norfolk Broads area. In 2015 forum members spent 2,048 days afloat on the Broads

Please Help Support The Norfolk Broads Forum
OR

The Norfolk Broads Forum / General Chat / Bringing a Historic Sea-going Yacht to the Broads
login
join
Graphics Off
Search
Forum Members - Book your Hoseasons holiday today, Just call 0345 498 6296

This is a moderated forum Reply to this DiscussionReply to Discussion | Start new discussionNew Discussion << previous || next >> 
Posted By Discussion Topic: Bringing a Historic Sea-going Yacht to the Broads

Similar Threads That Might Help :
Eyesore going, going, going, soon be gone.| I want to take my Herbert Woods yacht out to sea| Historic day for ‘true Broads legend’ at Stalham| How Did the Sea Trip Go?| Are Yachts allowed to go faster then Motor boats|

-- Page: 1 2 3 4

book mark this topic Printer-friendly Version  send this discussion to a friend  new posts last

AndyMorley
Jun-14-2018 @ 6:19 AM                           Permalink
reply
edit
profile
send p.m.
River Rat
Posts: 24
Joined: Jun 2018
AndyMorley
          

Add To Ignore List
Thanks for the feedback this far, which has been quality, just the way I like it.  On that basis, I'm going report back to my skipper for this trip that navigating both the Yare and the Waveney should not be a problem and I'm going to be doing my best to wrangle a longer rather than a shorter visit.  The next question, assuming we do manage it, is whether to make a strict rule of 'under power only', or if we get a following wind, whether to make sail.  Obviously different considerations apply to a historic craft and though I've handled bigger vessels than the Nancy Blackett under sail on the Broads, she does have a particularly ferocious bowsprit and being a long-keeper, she can't spin on a sixpence like a Broads yacht.  I would be very interested to hear from anyone who has sailed long-keelers on the Broads rivers.  Anyone here done this and willing to chip in?

Tim
Jun-14-2018 @ 8:09 AM                           Permalink
reply
edit
profile
send p.m.
Forum Regular
Posts: 298
Joined: May 2005
Tim
          

Add To Ignore List
Hi Andy welcome to the forum.
It's fantastic that you're bringing the Nancy to the Broads.
I'm sure wherever you go there will be no shortage of help and advice.
Here's my bit of advice from my experience of both rivers with a motor cruiser of similar draft, under power too many trees for sailing, dead slow on a raising tide say HW -2 to HW, Lowestoft for the Waveney and Great Yarmouth for the Yare unless she will clear the the bridge on the New Cut (24ft).
In Lowestoft there is a quay available for historic craft that allow public access.
And you can be assured of a warm welcome should you visit The Surlingham Ferry.
Beware of sitting on the bottom at Low Water at the moorings on The Yare.
You may also want to consider the collision risk at moorings and underway especially in areas of high tidal flow
And a railway timetable will be helpful to transit the bridges.
Many Thanks Tim

This message was edited by Tim on Jun-14-18 @ 8:10 AM

annville
Jun-14-2018 @ 1:11 PM                           Permalink
reply
edit
profile
send p.m.
Forum Regular
Posts: 951
Joined: Oct 2013
          

Add To Ignore List
Hi Andy I don't see any great problems,if your mast drops easily it could help at Beccles. It would also be a good idea to bring a Quant pole with you, to help with maneuvering.John

AndyMorley
Jun-14-2018 @ 10:42 PM                           Permalink
reply
edit
profile
send p.m.
River Rat
Posts: 24
Joined: Jun 2018
AndyMorley
          

Add To Ignore List
Thanks both for those tips.  The quay at Lowestoft definitely sounds worthwhile - I suppose it would take a phone call to the harbourmaster to arrange that one?

As for the quant, my mind had been working its way along those lines to the extent that I had already begun to practice (in my head) how exactly I would get the quant past all the rigging of a seagoing yacht, which includes running backstays as well as all the more regular shrouds and what-have-you.  Provided my quant-handling abilities have not too much diminished over the years, I reckon I could do it.

But that leaves me with a new problem...  from where exactly does one 'borrow' a quant?  I don't know whether there are any hiring yards in Lowestoft or Yarmouth, but if there are, what would they say if I were to turn up and ask to hire a quant for a week?  I can imagine I might get some rather witty answers from boat-yard proprietors to such a request!  I have the top 1/3 of a quant in my shed...  maybe I could buy a pole of some sort and attempt to splice it on?  Well, I guess that challenges of this sort are the ones that add spice to life.... Wink

CapCacoethes
Jun-14-2018 @ 11:34 PM                           Permalink
reply
edit
profile
send p.m.
Knows Their Stuff
Posts: 119
Joined: Aug 2010
CapCacoethes
          

Add To Ignore List
I've got a spare quant that you are welcome to borrow. There's not a scrap of varnish on it any more and an edge of the button (on the top) is missing, but it'll do the job.

AndyMorley
Jun-15-2018 @ 8:55 AM                           Permalink
reply
edit
profile
send p.m.
River Rat
Posts: 24
Joined: Jun 2018
AndyMorley
          

Add To Ignore List
That's a really helpful offer - thank you!  I love it when people offer practical help rather than just opinions - why can't the rest of the internet be more like that?

I don't want to do an impersonation of the lady that John Lennon addressed the words of 'Day Tripper' to so I'm going to be honest here.  What I'm doing at the moment is a kind of feasibility study, trying to work out whether a Broads cruise would be even possible given the nature not only of the boat but the objectives of the Trust.  When I've done that, I'll see if I can convince them.  

What we're all about is of course partly preserving a historic yacht but a very big part of it is about (as I understand it) is introducing young people to sailing or helping to develop those who already are interested. I now see that it would perfectly possible for us to turn Nancy into a motor boat for a week and cruise about the Yare and Waveney, and if the crew we happen to have at that time are like my young nephews who are trainee engineers on big ocean-going yachts based out of Palma and Antigua, then they would love that.  However, if as I suspect may be the case, the crew for those weeks might be made up of budding Ellen MacArthurs, I could end up loosing their attention if I suggested being a motor-boat for too many days at a time.

So, could I actually sail up the Waveney in a long-keeled cutter with a Bermudan rig, very much constrained by shrouds and backstays?  That's why I was thinking quants as they were a very big part of going about when river sailing on the Albion in my youth.  But then, the Albion only has a forestay so wielding a quant is a piece of cake.  Another feature of the Albion, shared by most Broads yachts, especially the gaff-rigged ones, is to be able to get rid of their sail very quickly either by scandalising it or dropping it altogether.  With the Nancy, the thought of our very large bowsprit being propelled along the Waveney by several tons of boat and a fairly decent sail area of Bermudan cutter rig is an interesting one to say the least.  I'm seeing in my mind's eye here, coming round a bend on port tack with the wind behind me, into a reach that's choc-a-bloc with inexperienced motorboat hirers and then suddenly a classic Broads yacht comes tacking through them towards me, expecting right of way as she's sailing into the wind and on starboard tack.  Carnage in other words and a good subject for one of the old-style Giles cartoons that used to hang on the walls of the Geldeston Lock House pub before it got spoiled.  

I'm going to have a conversation about whether doing a version of scandalising of our Bermudan rig by hauling in the topping lift would help in that sort of situation, enough so that we could use our engine to come to a halt.  Shoving the engine in reverse while sailing has issues of its own which I won't bore you with there, and maybe there are other ways to handle that kind of thing but it certainly requires more thought on my part - I'm reasonably tuned in to Broads sailing but my skills, such as they are, are woefully out of date which is why this forum has been so very, very helpful.  Thanks again for that and I'll p.m. about the quant.

Marshman
Jun-15-2018 @ 9:19 AM                           Permalink
reply
edit
profile
send p.m.
Mardles sometimes
Posts: 3602
Joined: Oct 2006
Marshman
          

Add To Ignore List
The Waveney and choc-a-bloc are not really synonymous!!

Plenty of room for you...!!

annville
Jun-15-2018 @ 5:44 PM                           Permalink
reply
edit
profile
send p.m.
Forum Regular
Posts: 951
Joined: Oct 2013
          

Add To Ignore List
Hi If you have a engine you won't have much use for a quant a adjustable boat hook should suffice. John

AndyMorley
Jul-01-2018 @ 8:59 PM                           Permalink
reply
edit
profile
send p.m.
River Rat
Posts: 24
Joined: Jun 2018
AndyMorley
          

Add To Ignore List
UPDATE - The Nancy Blackett will leave Woolverstone Marina for her 'Northern' cruise tomorrow, Monday July 2nd or possibly even sooner if the new crew decided to slip away with the tide this afternoon. When I went down there at midday they were already all on board, so it's up to them now - we'll all be looking for the daily updates with interest.  Given the great weather we had for daysailing yesterday while the Nancy Blackett Trust AGM was happening and which looks set to continue, I reckon that she should be showing up in Lowestoft towards the end of the week ready for our next crew, of which I'm first mate, to take over on the 7th.

Thanks to the fantastic help and advice I've received both publicly and privately from members of this forum, I've written up an informal Feasibility Study which I've circulated around the Trust and I've had some pretty good feedback from that.  Subject to agreeing final details with next week's skipper, which I'll be doing shortly, we should be putting our nose into the Broads next weekend and maybe a whole lot more.  Since he (the skipper) has said he'll be knocking up some fender boards to help get us through Yarmouth, I'm hoping he's not going to say 'no' but if he does, it will only be because the weather changes or something like that.

I've just had my son-in-law retrieve my own mudweight and rond hooks from a boathouse where they were serving as ornaments and a very heavy door stop.  I've had an extremely kind offer of the loan of a quant and some moorings and will be contacting those people again soon.  Assuming it all goes ahead, I will be posting further updates here so that if anyone wants to come and see us, they can!



This message was edited by AndyMorley on Jul-2-18 @ 10:56 AM

johnm
Jul-02-2018 @ 6:01 PM                           Permalink
reply
edit
profile
send p.m.
Lives to Post
Posts: 1209
Joined: Jun 2007
johnm
          

Add To Ignore List
That's great news. I'll be watching with interest to see what the plan might be in case I can get a glimpse of 'Goblin' in the flesh (so to speak). Smile

John

BITTERN 35

PAGE: 1 2 3 4

Home Photo Gallery Days Afloat Contact Us
Chat Room Downloads Norfolk Broads @ Amazon Make My Logo
Shops & Businesses Members Gear Norfolk Broads @ EBay Holiday Calendar
Pub Guide Tide Tables SOS List Popular Threads
2017 Calendar Contest Make A Donation Links Hireboat Info
Norfolk Broads @ CafePress FAQ Broads Quiz Forum Events
Advertise With Us Forum Shop Boating Bits Stickys and FAQs Boating Bits Hirecraft List

 

 

 



Copyright © 2005 Y2KInternet, All Rights Reserved.