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Sep-10-2015 @ 4:57 PM                           Permalink
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In response woodwose and annville I always appreciate people taking the time to visit broadland boats and providing me both positive and negative feedback. Thanks for visiting! This helps a site mature. Also thanks to Pandora-3, I like your comments!

It would be really helpful to know what details are incorrect and why you don't like the data on your boat published so this can help in the future.

I thought I’d just take the time to detail information that is held within the boat register on Broadland boats and more importantly what we do not hold. In addition I'd like to clarify that information held on boats at broadlandboats is purely information readily available in case this assists with any concerns any readers may have.

… I am sure as we are all boating fanatics, we can look at a boat and know by the shape that its probably built by a specific builder to a specific class and therefore the beam and width is likely to be a specific amount of feet / metres. Through observation it is possible to read the name of your boat and registration. Also the same is true of some engine types and sizes, outboards have sizes on the back and outdrive are easily identifiable.

As boats are sold we begin to understand it's particular configuration of berths, showers and other options. Additionally information is published in brochures and reviews providing a fair insight into a number of boats …

So while we did not collect all of our data this way, this essentially the information we hold i.e it's all the data we display on our page and anyone could easily write this down and store it somewhere. This information is of low risk, does not tie back to an individual and is of interest to some people who like to compare boats or are interested in buying one.

What Broadland boats don't hold and don't want to know is information for example:
•     The name of the current owners and previous
•     Their  place of residence
•      Their email address
•     Their IP address
•     Summer / Winter storage location of the boats

For example I don't want to know a boat is owned by Mr and Mrs X, who live at this address and are based at Horning Likewise we do not hold a method of contacting the owners.

This more personal information would not be published by a public body such as the Broads Authority and for a webmaster adds additional effort in securing sensitive data and overheads such as encryption.

Interestingly, when browsing on various sites about the Broads we have seen personal data which includes personal names alongside boat names, email address and area of residence. We will not collate this data at Broadland Boats.

It is this information that I would have thought would have been more objectionable but often people provide it without thinking.  One site even displays when people are on the broads!

With regards to inaccuracies, there will be inaccuracies in data as each record is reviewed and assumption made on it. Boat data can be wrong. Sometimes when a boat is first registered on the broads someone doesn't know correctly what it is or phonetics and mistakes cause inaccuracies alongside lack of information on age etc. We really encourage people to let us know if the data is wrong.

Ideally we would love to have an open source database of BroadlandBoats. But I think that’s some way off!


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Sep-10-2015 @ 7:20 PM                           Permalink
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My mistake, apparently not from a government dataset, but a collation of multiple other websites. Presumably within the bounds of their copyright policy.  Still not personal data in the ICO sense, but it's time for me to box out of the discussion Smile  usually I don't actually post in the first place Wink

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I got a reply from the Broads Authority. It's quite long and complicated but basically, they did not want to disclose any information about their database of boats on various grounds but after a 2 year battle they were compelled to do so by the Information Commissioner.
My view is a little different. I don't mind people knowing that my boat is called Woodwose. I don't make any secret of it. However, I supplied this information to the Broads Authority so they could collect the tolls not so that they could publish it on uncontrolled 3rd party websites. I think they feel the same way.
I think it is a measure of a website if they correct or remove personal information if asked to do so. I would always do this on my websites. It will be interesting to see who does remove the information.
The question I still have is "why do this?" I just can't see any need for this information to be published. It seems to add no value to anything. It seems clear that quite a lot of it is wrong as well. That must devalue it even further.

Anyway, it has been an interesting debate. Like Pandora, I will go back in my box.

Nigel

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Sep-10-2015 @ 8:06 PM                           Permalink
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Just a question what is the point of this website? I really can't see anyone would want a website or app to see what engine or layout a boat has, personally I'd call the hire yard if I was really that interested after all they will know the layout and changes far sooner than a website. Otherwise I'd just not be bothered and move on. Is any of the information held what boaters really think about? I very much doubt it.

My broads boat isn't on there as it's not afloat I will ensure it doesn't get added once afloat. Sure many others will feel the same and once one record is removed the relevance drops and drops.


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Sep-10-2015 @ 8:38 PM                           Permalink
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My question is why anyone would object to their boat being on a list?

There is already a very well known website - Boats Of The Norfolk Broads - that lists boats, and has been painstakingly compiled over many years to provide a lasting record of the boats on the Broads for hirers and owners or just those interested in a boat, which was bought in Kent but once was on hire in Norfolk.

As far as I am aware people are ok with that website and many a person has used  it.  I remember discussions where reference is made to the website or someone has been directed to go to it and look up an entry.

What possible issue can there be in that.

I ponder therefore why  that is acceptable (or was until this discussion came about) but a new website is not.  Is it s trust issue the new kid on t e block and what might their intentions be.

I find it perplexing that people now wish to have their boat removed yet the only details stored would be the registration number, boat name, type of boat and so on.  There is not and would not be information about  where it is moored, who owns it currently or who did so there is simply to my mind nothing that could be done with any malice with the information.  

I feel it is frankly ridiculous to worry about such small fry when on this forum every person's posts are kept, and are searchable externally.

Many people have their name in their forum signature, and perhaps add their location too this too.  Usernames are often the names of their boat and quite a few have a photo of their boat too which adds to the small pieces of the larger 'data jigsaw'

Of course, everybody here contributed all of this willingly and so share it into the public realm which is all indexed by Google.  As an example I did a Google image search for woodwose+ludham and a surprising amount of photographs appear which is content off of this forum.  

Storm in a tea cup I say.

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Sep-11-2015 @ 11:19 AM                           Permalink
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I have no objection to people accessing my boat information if the info is correct which in my case it is not i tried to inform the web site the error of their data but i was not able to this which  i find most irritating John

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Hi,

Thanks for your comments. We have some really helpful information provided from visitors and are adding those changes, some to classes and some to boat details.

We've also removed the boat details of the three people who have requested it.

If you want any changes drop me a pm or send me a note on the contact us page.

We like hearing from you and improving the accuracy of our site.

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