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....but if you are on a boat that is moored there can you fish   Question

if so, then the end result could be that anglers get cheap boats tax them for £20 and simply moor up there for 24 hours, with a net effect of reducing the availability of moorings, which then of course leads to no need to have an argument...

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Jun-24-2009 @ 10:31 AM                           Permalink
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Being an Angler and a boat owner, I can see both sides,I am sorry to say though that in this case I can fully support the restriction. Again it is a case of the "few" who have caused problems for the many. We stayed at Brammerton for a week last June/July and every evening the majority of Moorings were taken up by Anglers some of whom were steadfastly refusing to move and at least one who was very aggressive. Sad to see such restrictions being placed on good fishing spots but quite understandable in the circumstances.

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Jun-24-2009 @ 11:26 AM                           Permalink
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I have been lucky enough over the years to moor up at Postwick,both to eat and to fish.And have always stopped fishing and to assist other boats to moor there.However some of the "locals" have had an attitude problem when asked to make way for a craft.I am quite possitive when I say that there is/was an advisery notice clearly displayed at the wharf stating the "Rights of mooring craft" over anglers.
But I do think that once again the Authorities are turning their backs on the real issue here.That is BAN the anglers,but do NOT ever attempt to spend a bit of money in the area to providing a proper alternative place on the river where disabled anglers,and others can be allowed to fish without being asked to move by mooring craft.Surely it would be viable to make use of the old road that comes down to the riverside by making a right turn,upstream for say 100 meters.Make a safe hard standing,clear the bankside vegetation but do not dredge the bank to help stop the boats from mooring.Problem solved,boaters are happy and the anglers can then light their fires and leave there usual mess behind,but if a rubbish bin was provided then it might put the message across that someone cares.
We all use the river in different ways,it is only fair that we all get a fair crack of the whip.But we must look after it carefully,it may not be there sooner than we think.Global warming is happening NOW.
There are a lot of people out of work,in all areas of the country,and a lot of those people can not afford to travel very far.So I can imagine that some of the locals around Postwick would rather try and fish locally as opposed to waiting for some battered old bus to get to some other "free" fishing in the warmer months.
So come on Authorities show some compassion to everyone who uses the waterways,not to just a few.

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Jun-24-2009 @ 4:30 PM                           Permalink
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always going to be controversial, but I have to agree with Dave. I too have received quite agressive responses from anglers when trying to moor, and not even when mooring in such a way to stop them fishing, but needing to cross through their swim to approach a mooring. So much so that I would not risk disturbing an angler now, but move on. I've also seen violence threatened above once in such situations.

Anglers must be aware that these moorings are provided and maintained by the BA largely from tolls paid by boaters, and boaters should have the ability to moor at them without fear of backlash from anglers. If the age old method of "must make way" is failing to work then a ban is the only alternative, regardless of how extreme it seems.

I too fall into the bracket of both boater and angler, but have to admit that anglers, albeit maybe a small minority, have dug their own hole here and shouldn't bleat now that they have been buried in it.

It would be nice to see alternative platforms made available nearby these moorings, so that anglers can continue to enjoy the area without impeding boats looking to moor, or being impeded by them - but the issue of costs arises. Who pays. The point has been made before that boaters contribute massively to the finances of the broads, however anglers only pay a rod license which goes to the EA.

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Jun-24-2009 @ 5:17 PM                           Permalink
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Just been chatting about this - one question is - who is going to make sure that Anglers (I have a land based one who also has a boat) do as they are being told and not fish at these 24 hr moorings?    Should be fun.  

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Whilst i note your comments Gibbonspider, the provision of fishing facilities I believe falls to the EA and not the BA. Anglers pay licence fees to the former and river users to the latter and it is the BA who lease and provide the moorings.
It is a difficult question I agree but by and large the minority of anglers have again spoilt it for the vast majority - I expect this ban could well spread to other 24 hour moorings because of the selfish actions of a minority!

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Although I am a keen angler myself I have to say that I think this is a good idea, having had bad experiences at both Worlingham and Bramerton.  In both places an angler became abusive when I came in to moor up despite giving them a shouted warning and loitering in the river for some time to allow them to move their gear.  At Bramerton I woke in the morning to find the boat covered in groundbait, either the angler had a poor aim with his caterpult or was being extremely petty.  
However, looking at it from the other side I think the boaters should play ball as well.  For example, North Cove free moorings on the Waveney and Langley Dyke off the Yare both have clear signs saying no fishing, yet there are often anglers fishing from boats in both locations.  Also if possible and safe to do so it wouldn't hurt the helmsman to move out from the bank a little in order to not disturb the fisherman's gear.  (Although I don't mean those huge long poles that almost reach from bank to bank.)

Its my humble opinion, but it doesn't hurt to be considerate.  If you aren't, it might well come back and bite you on the bum one day, kust like it has to those anglers I've mentioned. Its just sad that other more sensible people have to suffer as well.  

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Im not happy about this ban as a rod licence payer I expect some free public fishing to be available and bit by bit over the years it has reduced considerably. I fish the local rivers and broads on a regular basis (mainly night fishing for bream)I also at times fish from a boat so can understand the mooring situation as well however a blanket ban is very extreme and the dates the ban is in effect a full ban as the fish will have moved into the boatyards from November. Why not make a provision for the anglers at Postwick & Bramerton sure it costs money but so does a rod licence at a minimal cost I am sure a part for anglers can be made available??

I am sure as usual the small amount of anglers have spoiled it for the majority but I bet the type of anglers who get agressive and throw groundbait, maggots at boats etc will not care about a ban. I also believe that some of the boat users are not entirely innocent as some do believe they own the waterways and can be very rude and agressive when they want to be.

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This is a good thread indeed.As a regular hirer of cruisers and having travelled all over the Broads system: considering the miles of waterway therein and looking at it from a local anglers point of veiw,there is very limited good safe access to the best/decent fishing areas.One area that I see fished on a regular weekend basis is the reach on the Waveney at the confluence with Oulton Dyke.But they all have to fish from Dingies buried in the reeds A,so that they are stable and B so that they can get their ledger lines under the passing boat traffic.Now nearby there are some wooden stages and the grass has been reduced,but I dont think that I have ever seen a person fishing from these places.I think,from experience that the fishing is poor away from the reed beds further down the river,so nobody catch`s much and the word soon spreads that it`s best not to bother.And the boat traffic here can be horrendous.So where can/do the locals go for good fishing in the summer? The Bauchamp Arms stretch is not really very local to the majority of North Norfolk.Also there is a very big shortfall in controlled camp sites on the river sides that have toilet and wash facilities.I have seen one very good one at The River Center on the Waveney,where are the others?I think that there is some sort of fishing/camping near to Candle Dyke on the Thurn!
I think that it`s a ploy to get people into the Challets at Potter myself.

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