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I work in the industry and see thousands of customers a year the vital points to help the broads is to get rid of the outdated closed season and improve the access to all areas of fishing, most of the anglers are aged 50 and above. Where do the EA find all the money to do fish tagging etc but cant seem to find money to improve the access to the river banks the 2 clubs I belong to work hard to be able to let anglers fish the river banks.

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Hi jbensley,

You raise two important points in your post, firstly who responsibility is it to improve/maintain access?

Public perception is that it is the Environment Agency, where as the reality is somewhat more complicated than that. Access is something that is very important to the BASG's very core, in fact we have a sub committee that exists to work on this very issue, and the issue of declining number and quality of slipways. Of course access from both the boat and trailer launched craft is of interest to the wider community, not just anglers.

Secondly the tagging work that is underway is a actually a collaboration not just the EA, with most of the expensive man hours being provided FREE by local anglers as this is scene by many as a vital piece of work. Over the last 17 years BASG and Norwich and District Pike Club, have provided many thousands of hours FOC to projects such as this. Without those hours many of those projects just wouldn't have been viable.

As the results of the 4 days of tagging on the Thurne demonstrated, the population of pike on that system is at very low levels. Pike fishing on the Broads, particularly the Thurne, is of great socio economic importance to the tourist industry as it provides much needed "out of season" revenue. Anglers have been lobbying the EA for many years to do something about the issues, but hard and fast data is needed to get any action. The tagging project is part of this verification process, without it nothing will be done, and anglers will just moan that the EA isn't doing anything.

At the BASG we are very aware of discord felt by many anglers towards the EA, BA, NWT and NE, and we are very aware of the differing views and opinions about what action needs to be taken to improve the Broads as a fishery. Its data on these views that our survey is aiming to achieve, to have statically robust evidence and a strong mandate to try to achieve change.

I personally appreciate that not everyone understands, appreciates or believes in the words I have used in this post, or the vehicle we are using, however this is the world we live in. Without some strong stats, the various organisations with listen politely, nod in the right places, shake your hand and then do nothing.

Your post indicates that you have opinions and perhaps even passion for this, I do hope you have taken a few minutes to fill in the survey and please take the time on the 20th May at the Forum to come and see what BASG is all about.

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Duncan

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JB couple of points, your customer base may be mainly 50 plus but there are loads of young people who fish, they probably just do their shopping online. With the rise in popularity of pellets boilies and even dead maggots the need to visit a tackle shop gets ever less.
Sorry can’t agree with you about the need to get rid of the closed season, fish stocks in this country are on the up in Rivers where a closed season is upheld. Most commercial fisheries who do not heed the close season hve to regularly re-stock.
I guess from your pov as a tackle retailer, getting rid of the close season makes good financial sense, from a fish conservation pov I think not so much.

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Dave you are correct there are a lot of youngsters fishing but I can tell you that they are not fishing the broads they are sitting behind the carp rods I fished the broads open in oct and the teams of 3 in oct aswell and at 39 yrs of age I was probably the youngest one there out of 100 for the broads open and 45 in the teams of 3. As for the closed season we can forget the need for it for spawning fish because as we all know they can spawn as late as july and as for a financial gain yes you are correct but not just for tackle trade but all businesses connected with the broads trade, as we know when june 16th gets here that is when you can say the busy season has started. If they were to abolish the closed season those who don't agree with it can still wait till june 16th to fish  Wink
Anyway this is not a debate about when or where the season starts this is about the survey to find out what people feel about fishing the broads.Good luck Duncan on the results look forward to hearing from you and yes i have filled in the survey.
Thanks James


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TerryTibbs wrote, "Looks to me to be a group of Anglers who are looking for justification to lobby for Anglers to be charged to fish the Broads..."

I would be very interested to know just how anglers could be charged for fishing in tidal waters (most of the navigation) from their own, or a hire, boat.

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)

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Riparian land owners or the person who holds the fishing rights can charge as Wroxham Yacht club do on Wroxham Broad. If a boat is mud weighted or otherwise moored not to the bank then no charge can be made (except on Wroxham Broad where the Trafford Estate claim to own the land under the Broad or the Yare from Norwich to Thorpe where Norwich Council own the River bed) where they could in theory charge when mud weighted.

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TT, I understand all that, but the survey question was: "In general riparian fishing rights don’t exist on tidal sections of the Broads. In some private estates and in areas where access is over private land, lease agreements requiring payment are in place. Otherwise anglers have had free access to fishing.

Would you be willing to pay for increased and/or improved access to angling on the Broads?"


Then the first two choices were:

1. Angling from hire craft
2. Angling from private craft

So, apart from private water, such as Wroxham Broad, my question remains. How could any charges be made for fishing in tidal water from a boat?

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)

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If the boat is moored to the bank the riparian owner or the person with the fishing rights i.e. lease holder can charge. For instance the B.A. could charge you for fishing from a boat tied up to it's 24 hour moorings. IMO.

Dave

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Interesting conundrum, while they could charge for mooring as your boat is private property I doubt they could charge for any activity you carry out onboard.

         Brian

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I think they can, just as they can stop you from fishing in a boat in a private marina. They own the land and when you moor on their land you enter into an agreement with them, if that agreement includes the right to charge you to fish then I believe they can enforce it.

Dave

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