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Jean&Brian
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I think there is a difference in that with a marina they own the whole site including the bed of the basin, neither the BA or most riparian owners own the riverbed plus the historical rights to fish tidal waters.

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But if they own the bank they can make paying for fishing a part of the conditions of mooring.

Dave

if it is to be it is up to me.

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TT, I'm inclined to agree with you. Having done a little research, it appears that there is a right to free fishing in tidal waters (including rivers), unless that right has been otherwise acquired. You correctly mentioned earlier that Norwich City Council own some of the riverbed of the tidal River Yare, so they would have also acquired the fishing rights. That sort of situation aside, free fishing in tidal waters is a right.

Where the prospect of paying for fishing from a private, or hire boat, comes in is once that boat is either in private water, e.g. a marina or private broad, or is moored to land. In the first case, the owner would have the fishing rights and would be entitled to charge anyone wishing to fish there. In the second case, the boat is moored with the explicit, or implicit, permission of the land owner, who would be able to impose any conditions on that permission, including a ban on fishing from the vessel, or charging for either the mooring, fishing from the vessel, or both.

I don't think there is any chance that the BA would even consider imposing a charge for fishing from their 24 hr moorings. There is sufficent friction between anglers and boaters already, with some anglers refusing to move to allow a boat to moor. Imagine if they had paid the BA to fish from that mooring. Would they then move for a boat to moor - ever? The bye laws would have to be amended, in any case, and the costs of doing that would outweigh the income derived from fishing permits.

Finally, there is the question of how to collect the charges. Easily done from club members, but what about private boat owners, the holiday makers, who hire boats or riverside properties, or others who own their own riverside properties. I'm not convinced the BASG has thought this through very thoroughly.

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)

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That is correct as far as I understand Pally, I know of one person fishing from his boat at Brammerton that he was informed that the seasonal ban on fishing from these moorings includes fishing from boats moored to them.

Dave

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The BA only has the power to ban fishing from their moorings as the landowner or lessee. There is no offence committed against either of the Broads Acts, or the bye laws. If there is an offence it is of trespass, a civil matter. Basically, it's more BA bullsh*t.

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
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"I am not convinced BASG has thought this through very thoroughly."

I'm not quite sure what part you are actually referring to?

The survey has been carefully thought out to collect specific data that is missing from the Broads Angling Strategy. The survey has actually been a success beyond our expectations and provided information that will prove to be important for many years to come.

Combined with the EA Socio Economic Report, the BA survey 2015 and 2010-2014 visitor data, the result of this survey paint a picture of angling in the Broads that has never been put together before.

Angling is massively under valued, represented and fragmented among certain broads stakeholders. But we now have some serious tools to help reverse that. In fact we have meetings in the diary with some influential people as a direct result of running the survey.  

So from where I sit the survey has already begun to yield exactly what it was designed to do.

I do however appreciate your support in keeping this thread active.
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Duncan

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DHolmes, I'm glad to see you're still with us. Perhaps you can explain under what circumstance you (BASG) envisage that anglers might be charged for fishing on the Broads from their own boats (private or hire).

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)

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