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"Maybe a scheme whereby every  one sex parties must be logged with Broads Beat / BA including contact numbers of the hirers. Then have a traffic light system. Encourage via media for all offences to be reported by the public. Then the hirer is given a yellow card as in last warning sort your party out and quiet down followed by a red card and impound the boat and turf them out. Severe cases as in this case is a straight red. Explain to the hirers that it is not an idle threat it will happen if they offend. Increase the deposit to £1000 as a deterrent too"

Apart from the amount of the security deposit (which I think is generally between £200 and £500), I thought that this was pretty much how things operate at the moment. The hire firms do notify BroadsBeat of the number of single-sex parties they have going out at any particular time, serious offenders do have the boats taken away, the boatyards usually have a mobile phone number for the hirers, and the public are continually being exhorted to report offences (in general society, not just the Broads).

There are many single-sex parties that enjoy the Broads without causing any annoyance to other boaters. One such party even helped BroadsBeat out when their towing vehicle got stuck!

I would encourage everyone to report offences, whether anti-social-behaviour related or otherwise, but the Broads are generally very peaceful, and it is the rarity of such obnoxious behaviour that makes it so noticeable when it does occur.

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I can remember a time when most boat hirers used to have a notice in their brochure " No all male or female parties" however that was in times when they probably did not need them, and I suppose that nowadays it would not be PC to do that, or economically feasible. A great shame as a great place is spoiled by the mindless stupidity of the few who seem to think it their right to spoil it for the rest of us. I would also stress that not all same sex parties are disruptive, just the mindless few   Exterminate


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You can generally rely on the disruptive parties heading for pub moorings wherever they can. Or certainly somewhere close by.
Barnes actively market for stag and hen parties but Richardson's don't appear to. I have noticed that Richardson's boats with all male crews very often seem to leave the boatyard later than some, I don't know if this is by design or it just happens that way. This often means they go steaming across Barton Broad and off down the Ant, anyone moored at Irstead or How Hill can find it a bit uncomfortable when they pass! But that is only to be expected IMO.
It is very important that all inappropriate behaviour is reported to the BA/ Broadsbeat and the relevant boatyard. It is only by doing this that these people will realise what is and isn't acceptable. Unfortunately, in some places abroad, Brits have a poor reputation due to the bad behaviour of a few and I believe much of it is because it is not tackled quickly enough at home. I'm all for folk having fun but not when it goes too far and affects others, particularly those with young families.

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Paladine probably has greater knowledge of the law. But, it has always been my understanding that it is an offence to serve alcohol to an intoxicated person or indeed supply via a third person alcohol to an intoxicated person.
Broadsbeat should have also nicked the Landlady for doing so and thereafter put in a very strong objection when they are next before the Brewster Sessions.

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This is a delicate issue, and there are lines between 'discrimination' and 'responsibility' which may be hard to define.  Regularly within this forum the lament is raised regarding the self-centredness of so many people in our society (and therefore on the Broads).  Back in the mythical 'good old days' we used to consider the needs of others  -  which meant thinking before playing loud music, running the engine at 6am, lighting up a barbecue on the grass at a crowded mooring or hammering past moored boats at full throttle (quite apart from drunken lewdness).

Sadly, that capacity or willingness to think of others is much rarer than it used to be.  Fortunately, there are many boaters who still do have that attitude, which is part of what makes the Broads so lovely  -  but the minority who can't see or think past the end of their own nose can be a pain in the proverbial.

An experience I had a while ago was when I was moored at How Hill - and while I know there will be traffic coming past, but I'm afraid I don't agree that I should expect to have saucepans on the cooker tipped on the floor by their wash.  I promptly went up to ask the offending vessel to slow down, and what I found amazing was that they clearly gave the impression that they didn't think they were doing anything wrong, and seemed to be unaware of the effect of their own wash.  So maybe more education might help (just maybe!).

Another side of the 'no single-sex groups' on a boat relates to the large fleet I'm involved with each Easter, with teenagers on sixteen yachts plus a few support motor cruisers.  For what I hope are obvious reasons, (Child Protection, etc.) each individual boat is always single-sex.  So, the statistics might show twenty boats full of potential 'booze-cruisers';  whereas we are a 'dry' cruise for the week, and we certainly aim to be as considerate of others as we can be.

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Hi all ,
Got to agree with Jeremy on both accounts of he's post , firstly , I do believe that certain yards don't give enough hand over trials , education , or time explaining the rules etc , seen it many , many times when we were moored at broadsedge , given a quick trial  trip on the river , 10 mins later same boat comes past flat out once hand over done , shout at them to slow down , but just get blank , stare , "what's wrong ? "
Secondly , Jeremy's group , many times we've seen them as we are afloat same time , very well behaved , organised group , pleasure to see afloat ,

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As stated by ChrisHGB "it is an offence to serve alcohol to an intoxicated person or indeed supply via a third person alcohol to an intoxicated person."

There is no stated test of drunkeness and it is up to the responsible person to make the judgement when supplying alcohol.  Many is the time individuals are turned away because they have had too much to drink by many reputable places and I'm sure the Ferry is in this category.

Drinking shots is classed as the norm by many drinkers, obviously in particular young drinkers.  We have so many of them who order a pint and a shot as the norm.  Drinking shots is part of the drinking culture and not necessarily for the sole purpose of getting wasted.

I think it would be reasonable to assume these guys arrived at the Ferry in reasonable state had a good drink and left in high spirits.  I simply do not condone their behaviour but sticking up for the Ferry inn staff/premises supervisor /premises license holder. I think it is wrong to assume the latter have failed to discharge their responsibilities simply because the party's drinking ended in obscene behaviour.

Serving somebody who cannot stand or speak is clearly unlawful.  Pubs do encounter threats to their premises license for continuing bad behaviour by clients both on and leaving the premises but that is usually as a result of a pattern rather than the odd incident which to be honest we all suffer from

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I think there are three points to be taken into account here.

Firstly for the yards it is a large part of their turnover particularly outside the few weeks of the school holidays and something they rely on so no changes are likely to their policy.

As far as the stag or hen groups are concerned the cost of the hire for a weekend split amongst 8 to 12 people is cheap compared to most other options and I think that is probably a major factor in their choice rather than location.

It is also unlikely that the majority will return, I would think most treat it as a one off jolly with little thought given to the consequences of their behaviour, as for the pub landlords you only have to see the groups loading up with a trolley load from Roys or wherever to know that the Pubs are only one part of the weekend, reporting any occurrences to Broadsbeat promptly with full details is the only available option.

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As ever Paladine pretty much hit the nail on the head.

" and it is the rarity of such obnoxious behaviour that makes it so noticeable when it does occur. "

Bad behaviour is just part of normal life. Undesirable but it exists everywhere. On a two week holiday you would be very unlikely to see this sort of thing more than once. 13 to 1 days wise is not a bad outcome given that the 13 will probably be peaceful and thoroughly enjoyable. Even the bad day will have good bits too.
Best ignore it or move elsewhere. A mud weight on a quite stretch usually solves this sort of nuisance.  

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"A mud weight on a quite stretch usually solves this sort of nuisance."

I know it isn't the intended meaning, but that sentence conjured up an image of a bit of rough justice being meted out  LOL

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
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