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Hi stick, don't let the anti live aboard posters wind you up. There are more out there that only wish they could live on a boat too.
Stingers. Sorry I don't see the connection between planning and council tax. Broadland district council don't care if you have planning permission or not. If they decide you are resident they send a bill anyway. BDC and the BA are not on the best of terms anyway.
What do you charge a continuous cruisers and what would be a fair charge for a permanent mooring.

Colin Cheers

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Islander,
Once planning permission is granted for permanent residential moorings then the Council will start chasing for Council Tax - just as they do when planning permission is granted for a house (except much quicker). An illegal permanent mooring is under the radar of the Council and if they did know about it and start charging Council Tax it would signify an acceptance that the mooring was being used as a residence, something they would not wish to do.
"What do you charge a continuous cruisers and what would be a fair charge for a permanent mooring."
How would I know? Try asking WRC.

Andy

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Let's give this a few minutes thought.

As a proportion of all the Council Tax charged, what is the benefit the the Council Tax Payer. I would propose it is tiny.

On the other hand, as a proportion of the boat-dweller's income, what is the real-terms cost? I would propose it may represent personal bankrupsey, unless they claim Council Tax Benefit, which, for which I propose most would propose most would qualify, quite genuinely.

What is the point of "not turning a blind eye"?

No wonder BA and Councils tend to ignore this group of loverly, hard working and self-sufficient people.



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GP1 but just let me say, there are many people in conventional housing who struggle to pay their council tax, should the Council turn a blind eye to them. Maybe the fact that SOME liveaboards try to find any way they can to avoid paying their dues is the reason that live aboards get a bad name. Maybe decent live aboards should take the few who ruin it for the many to task and not blame every one else for being anti live aboard.
Just a thought

Dave

if it is to be it is up to me.

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Before challenging me on the hard-working bit, try carrying your own water, chuckit buckets, gas, rubish etc.

It' hard, heavy work, but it's self-supporting and honourable



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Stingers, what you say regarding the relationship is correct outside the BA exec area but you will most likely find the council and BA planning work quite independently. Without going into too much detail BDC issued bills for boats being used residentially in a boat yard that didn't have the relevant planning permission.
Please note, if you ask the BA how many moorings there are with pp for residential use their answer was a small yard in Hoveton and one other. Now we have WRC as well. Should you wish to know more then Nick South is the RBOA rep for the broads.
My question regarding mooring fees is, would you expect to pay the same as anybody else in the same yard.

Colin Cheers

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Oh my goodness! I have seen this all so often, before. It's all just an excuse for hacking at a very few, self sufficient people who are wanting to live 'off the grid' for no other reasons than those which are personal and private.

They are a tiny minority and it would cost more to bring them into conformity than society would benefit and it would cost them more than they have as an income. THERE IS NO PROFIT from persuing the matter.

Only when tax-payers complain will authorities (even that is a controversial term for civil servants)  have to intervene. They know it is unprofitable and pointless.

Leave the poor buggers be, for the sake of decent morals! Try to undetstand the motives involved, PLEASE.

Just to alay suspicion, the edits are for spelling and grammer, mainly.





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Islander,
Please understand that I was giving some possible explanation of why some boaters look down their noses at some livaboards. I am also aware that there are very few residential moorings available and stated that this is why the BA need to do something about the situation - I thought I made this quite clear in my first posting on this thread.
As for fees, I would expect to pay the same price per foot as anyone else. I suppose it could argued that it should be a bit more because the owner would have had to apply for the planning permission and I would probably make more use of the shore facilities and parking.

Andy (who is off to bed).

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I have had moorings at places with and without liveaboards. At the moorings where there were no liveaboards my boat was broken into and items stolen plus my canopy damaged because they could not be bothered to use the zips more than once!
On the moorings where there were liveaboards, never any problems like this at all. I suspect some marina owners quite like have liveaboards there on the quiet just for this reason. Less likely to have episodes of criminal interference simply because there is always someone around.

Trevor

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Please don't anybody think I am popping at anyone.

I am talking general princples only, as I have been for over 40 years on the same liberal (with a small l) principles

I have been on the broads for a number of yrars before speaking out. I saw this long before I joined the forum. Indeed I kept quite for years. I kust could not stay stumm any longer.

I have a mate, locally who was falsely accused to get him kicked off a marina. He was completely innocent.  i was livid. The problem was only that, with the knowlege of the owner, he lived on his own home. I have known the man for years. He is a hatd working man who volunteers for a national charity, and has been for years. He fell on hard times whilst heliping a friend, lost pay and ran out of funds. Still he worked for next to nothing. He owned his boat, so rather than try for Council accommodation, he lives aboard. Now, because of lies, he is without a mooring.

He has a new job now, is payong off his debts and struggling to catch up. Still he is being hounded because folk think he is trying to escape taxes. On the contrary, he is dping his best to claw back after having been financially abused by a friend he was trying to help.

All this recent stuff after decafes of witnessing so many liveaboards being haasled by BWB, whilst I was lucky to be a working boatman, and imune to it all, when there was precious little difference.

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