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I think it is safe to say that members on here may be members of the Norfolk News Facebook Page. If you are not I have taken the liberty of copying this. It is a reply received from the above magazine when someone questioned the legality of calling the Broads a National Park


"Thank you for your email, which was sent to the TV programme Countryfile in error. We at BBC Countryfile Magazine have looked into this matter in some depth and have spoken at length to National Parks UK (www.nationalparks.gov.uk) who state categorically that The Broads is a National Park and that it is governed by National Park legislation.

I include their statement below.

“The Broads is a National Park, albeit designated slightly differently. The Environment Act 1995 revised original National Park legislation from 1949 and set out two statutory purposes for National Parks in England and Wales:

- Conserve and enhance the natural beauty, wildlife and cultural heritage

- Promote opportunities for the understanding and enjoyment of the special qualities of National Parks by the public.

The Broads is designated under the Norfolk and Suffolk Broads Act 1988 due to an additional purpose giving priority to waterway access for boat users. The Broads National Park is funded in the same way as England’s other Parks, by government National Park grant – it collects additional revenue through its waterway tolls. The Scottish National Parks are also designated differently, to accommodate additional purposes for economic development and renewable energy, but are part of the UK’s National Park system. The Broads and our Scottish parks are very much accepted by the other National Parks across England and Wales.”

With this in mind, I am completely happy to include The Broads in our annual awards in this category.

Please feel free to contact me should you require any further information about this.

Kind regards

Fergus Collins

Editor, BBC Countryfile Magazine
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Email: fergus.collins@immediate.co.uk

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Donovan springs to mind... first there is a mountain... then there is no..

I think those in public office at the moment are rabbits in head lights, hearing media spouts about the carillion colllapse it seems to be a case of make the rules but ignore them...lots of subcontractors shafted with illegal contracts in contravention of the public contracts regs but hey ho what do we know.

More than they!

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Thank you, pitdiver. An email has been sent to Mr Collins

fergus.collins@immediate.co.uk

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)

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Mr Collins statement to my mind is accurate.

Bill

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batrabill, Mr Collins hasn’t actually made a statement. He has spoken with National Parks UK, an organisation that has a vested interest in increasing its membership, and has been told a complete and utter lie. He has simply forwarded that lie to pitdiver.

When government Ministers of State say that the Broads is not, and will not be, a National Park, why do you continue to believe it is?

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)


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You know what? I think I’m done.

There is a very vocal minority who are obsessed with this issue. Paladine you have joined them.

I live in the Broads and I love having the fora that work like super-local news.
Only problem, I keep reading things that I think misrepresent the reality from a particular anti-BA predjudice. .

A good example Paladine  is your recent Boundary Farm mooring thread. Started factual, but 2? (from memory) people described the closure a “pathetic”.

This is editorialising from a position of predjudice.

In my world there was a very high tide which washed away the packing material at several moorings. The BA have rapidly repaired. They did the same all along the St Benets mooring this week as well although the damage wasn’t bad enough to need any part to be closed. Plainly the BA would have liked the Boundary Mooring to not wash away as much as it did, but I assume they will have added a small amount of a harder material. That’s what happens in the real world.

This is only pathetic if you live in a perfect world and have a strong and constantly reinforced belief that everything the BA do is bad.

As to the NP issue - I promise I will try to ignore it. But it is hard as I like social media, and every NP reference is followed by the usual suspects.

So good luck with that. If it appears the doomsday scenarios are in any way true I will see you on the barricades. Till then, keep crying Wolf!


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batrabill, whether you contribute to the forum or not is entirely your decision, however I suggest that you are as guilty of editorial prejudice as the next person.

What I actually said was: ”Less than 6 months since the official opening. Pathetic!”

So I didn’t describe the closure as ‘pathetic’ – it was entirely reasonable in the interests of safety, but that the subsidence occurred within 6 months of the moorings opening suggests sub-standard construction, which I repeat, is pathetic.

And to blame a high tide? Shouldn’t these structures be able to withstand the elements, particularly when they’ve only just been built?

You’re right (almost) in one respect though. If you look back on my record of posting about the BA, you’ll see I used to defend them against many attacks, particularly those which were unsupported by evidence. From my personal experiences with the BA, I have gradually come round to another way of thinking. And I usually back my comments up with substantive evidence. My recent thread about a certain planning application demonstrates that. Complaint + evidence.

I don’t just say that everything the BA do is bad, but they do do bad things, which I have challenged, and will continue to challenge. That isn’t crying wolf.

Were those who lobbied against the Broads Bill in 2006 crying wolf, when John Packman tried to get his private bill through, to change the ‘Norfolk and Suffolk Broads’ to the ‘Broads National Park’, and the ‘Broads Authority’ to the ‘Broads National Park Authority’? That episode might be described as a ‘doomsday scenario’. Were you at the barricade then? I’m very thankful that those lobbyists were there, otherwise boating on the Broads, if it still existed, would look very different today.

Yes, there are ‘the usual suspects’, who make broad and often unsubstantiated criticisms. I don’t support them, as I prefer to make focussed complaints, backed up with facts.

I really would like to see you knock my arguments into a cocked hat, rather than withdraw from engagement.


"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)

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Nah.

Bill

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As to the NP issue - I promise I will try to ignore it. But it is hard as I like social media, and every NP reference is followed by the usual suspects.
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I guess I'm a "usual suspect". What I do know is that I speak the truth, I don't need to tell lies or confuse the issue.

Try and get those in power to start telling the truth rather than confusing the issue, get them to say why The Broads CANNOT be a np, get them to explain the issue without confusing the issue and you'll find "the usual suspects" will quieten down.

The fact that those in power do not tell the full truth and will confuse the situation to enhance their position says it all really.

Another point, where in the BA remit does it say they are to market the area? This nullifies their argument as to why they should be called a np.



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I have had lengthy email correspondence with Fergus Collins, pointing out that the government say the Broads are not a national park, Natural England (the body responsible for making NP designation recommendations to the Secretary of State) say the Broads are not a national park, and the Broads Authority have publicly stated that they have given up all ambitions of the Broads becoming a national park.

I have sent him documents to support these statements, including a copy of Lord De Mauley’s letter, but all he did was to keep repeating the National Parks UK statement that the Broads is a national park etc., almost as if he was in a trance.

He does not seem to have a mind of his own. He has adopted a head-in-the-sand posture. He made no effort whatsoever to rebut any of my statements, because the statements are all true and cannot be challenged, and his final email to me was simply, “I have forwarded your correspondence to National Parks UK and the Broads Authority and they will get back to you directly.”

I’m afraid my opinion of Mr Collins wouldn’t get past the forum filter! I would have a modicum of respect for him if he tried to argue his case, but he is just hiding behind, firstly, National Parks UK and now the Broads Authority. He should grow some!


"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)

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