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Dear Members of the Forum,

I think it is disappointing that the shortlisting of the Broads in the BBC Countryfile Magazine awards has been met by a negative reaction from individuals who claim to have the interests of the Broads at heart.

Our inclusion in this competition should bring only positives for the Broads, promoting greater awareness of our beautiful area and encouraging a wider visitor base to the benefit of the local economy and rural services. To undermine the recognition of the good work in looking after the area seems inward looking and narrow focussed. Since the announcement of our shortlisting we have had many comments of support, not least from National Park Authorities, including those whose Parks are shortlisted.

I accept that not everyone welcomes the promotion of the area as the Broads National Park. However, I object to public postings that misrepresent my views and the intentions of the Broads Authority.

My ambition has always been for the Broads Authority and its partners to be able to use the term ‘Broads National Park’ so that the area can fully benefit from the status it was given by the Norfolk and Suffolk Broads Act 1988. We are implementing the decision taken by the Broads Authority in January 2015 to use the term Broads National Park. This decision, which has the support of the National Park Authorities and the constituent local authorities, was tested in both the High Court and the Court of Appeal through a judicial review. This determined that the Authority had the power to take this decision and that it was not misleading the public in using the term Broads National Park.

I have noted comments stating that, by using the term Broads National Park, the Broads Authority may somehow invoke a change in designation by stealth and that the Sandford Principle could be applied. I can categorically restate that this is not the Authority’s or my intention and I would not support it.

I have never advocated the application of the Sandford Principle to the Broads - quite the reverse.

The Broads is a unique landscape, with appropriate legislation that reflects the need to balance a more complex range of interests than is the case with other National Parks and maintain the navigation area for the benefit of our toll payers. It is lawful to promote the area as the Broads National Park.

We have posted some Questions and Answers on the Authority website which may help those new to this debate. They can be found at:
http://www.broads-authority.gov.uk/news-and-publications/frequently-asked-questions

The following citations indicate why the Broads has been shortlisted for the award:

Judge Fergus Collins says: “It’s a very different landscape, which takes a different sort of management. It has a huge leisure industry, which they seem to be balancing with the wildlife and the natural landscape. It’s under pressure with climate change and rising sea levels, so they’ve got a big job there to keep things going. But essentially some very good habitat management.”

Judge John Craven says: “The people that I’ve met who are involved with the administration of the Broads are very passionate about it. Although there’s a lot of pressure these days for development, they want to maintain the Broads as we all remember them. And they do a very good job.”

Can I ask those of you who prefer the label “member of the National Park family” to put aside your differences over this and vote for the Broads.

With regards and best wishes

John

John Packman
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Broads Authority – looking after the Broads National Park


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And not one mention of the BNP tagline being used "for marketing purposes only".

And you want us to trust you?

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Trust him don't make me laugh...

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TOS?

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TOS?

Do you mean blatant self promotion or the criticism thereof?

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Feb-16-2018 @ 7:48 AM                           Permalink
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I see nothing in the TOS about self-promotion. I do see a ban on attacks on members.

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Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts.

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Feb-16-2018 @ 9:30 AM                           Permalink
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Perhaps, Bill, it could be argued that JP is attacking Paladine?

John, JP, the recent Peer Review highlighted the regrettable lack of trust in tha Authority. Presumably this referred to the unhelpful mistrust by the 'little men', those of us that lurk along the rhond. I'm afraid that your recent NP justifications are unlikely to improve the situation.

It is on record that the Authority has abandoned its aspirations to be a national park. That the Authority has abandoned its aspiration to be a national park is a clear admission that it once sought that very accolade. Surely to goodness you know that Sandford is part and parcel of the National Parks Act? How on earth could the Authority aspire to being a national park without accepting Sandford? Perhaps thinking that it could is being incredibly naive.

The recent Broads Act, you claim that it's primarily a safety Act. Let us go back to the consultation papers and the Broads Bill itself and the very clear powers that it sought to inflict upon us. Powers that would have allowed the Authority to exclude us boaters from our traditional access as and when the Authority directed. Thankfully petitioners in Parliament objected and those objections were upheld in the House of Lords. Being able to issue special directions excluding us from our waterways was clearly an objective. Shades of Sandford don't you think?

The Authority may have declared that it no longer seeks to be a national park, but it has been known to change policy in the past so what guarantee do we have that it wouldn't reactivate its NP aspirations in the future? Let us not forget the Peer Review's comments in regard to trust.

Calling the Broads a national park when clearly it has not been designated as such has caused division and marketing confusion, make no mistake about it. Despite an irrational Court Judgement allowing you to use the NP term for marketing purposes the fact remains clear, the Broads has not been designated as a national park. Using the NP term on planning documents is hardly 'for marketing purposes', indeed I suggest, in my humble and sincerely honest opinion, that the intent and terms of that court judgement are being abused. For example the Broads Authority is NOT caring for the Broads National Park because no such place exists. In marketing terms that is quite simply bluster.

You are on record as stating that the Broads has been granted the same status at that of a national park. I am having some difficulty with this one, could you please substantiate your claim and point me to where in the Broads Act I might find your justification?

The Authority has sought to be a national park in the past, it hasn't always just sought to use the NP title. What guarantee do we have that it won't in the future seek the NP designation and all that that entails? How does the Authority intend to regain lost trust?




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Whether, and by whom, the ToS have been breached is a matter for the moderators and, ultimately, the site owner.

I would, however, point out that I regard comments such as...

...has been met by a negative reaction from individuals who claim to have the interests of the Broads at heart.

To undermine the recognition of the good work in looking after the area seems inward looking and narrow focussed.

I object to public postings that misrepresent my views and the intentions of the Broads Authority.


...to be a broad attack on the whole membership of this forum. Why else would they have been posted on THIS forum, but nowhere else that such criticisms have been made? There are certain members who wholeheartedly support the rebranding, but they haven't been excluded from this criticism.

I was fortunate enough to have criticisms aimed at me personally, so I was able to refute them, personally.

If a member decides to criticise the members in such a way, he should not be surprised to receive criticism back.

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)

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How can asking a question be an attack on someone?

If I didn't agree with Paladine's last remarks and replied along the lines of "Paladine you're a ******** for putting that", then I would have attacked the member.

A simple question of why should we trust someone that cannot be wholly truthful though? Seriously? If the Mod's and the site owner think I'm wrong then so be it but I've only asked a question.

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If a member decides to criticise the members in such a way, he should not be surprised to receive criticism back.

Quite so, especially when that criticism is justified.

Jolly Rodger

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