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Harlequin
Apr-07-2018 @ 11:35 PM                           Permalink
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All opinions are acceptable on this issue JR. However, in the end,  opinions of any sort are irrelevant.
Some of us take the "live and let live" attitude. Other like yourself believe that certain groups should be restricted in favour of others. Neither view overrides the rules.
As Paladine points out, the BA are probably powerless to stop this event even if they wished too. In my view that is a good thing. I find it ironic that the BA's persistent critics seem to wish that they had (and exercised) that power.


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Apr-07-2018 @ 11:46 PM                           Permalink
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Down the years I have had a goodly number of discussions with groups involved in the Broads scene. As I am sure have plenty of others.
On a few occasions it has been suggested to me that us boaters are pretty much a bunch of whingers, constantly moaning about one thing or the other. Each time that has been suggested I asked how many DIFFERENT boaters they were referring to. Each time it has been conceded that it was a pretty small group making all the noise and not at all representative of general boaters views.
Is this issue just another case of that?

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Apr-08-2018 @ 8:25 AM                           Permalink
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I agree that the Authority appears to have no powers under the Broads Act in relation to swimmers but it may well have under the Harbour's Act which it is duty bound to uphold. As for the swimmers their own representative body advises against swimmers mixing it with boats. The Authority does have a duty of care.

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Apr-08-2018 @ 9:55 AM                           Permalink
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It never ceases to amaze me how much is written about rights and powers and in comparison how little about personal responsibilities.

The bulk of the Broads is a public resource, some might argue that further chunks also are or ought to be!!   I feel that as such, everyone ought to be conducting themselves in such a manner that others with different interests can enjoy them too.  That is a responsibility they must accept if they expect to be allowed to enjoy “their rights”.  Clearly on private water the owner can determine what goes on and what does not, But I would hate to see the Broads carved up into smaller  chunks dedicated to one thing or another.  Don’t tell me there’s not a risk what with naturalists and skiers and all the others.

As a matter of practically at some times it clearly is prudent with due warning to say that restrictions should be requested or in high risk cases enforced. No-one I suggest would say that folk should allow a swimming gala on Oulton Broad when Power Bat races are planned to take place, anymore than it would be reasonable for Power Boats to be raced when a sailing regatta is being held. We all, surely, as individuals as well as sometime organizers have a responsibility to stay out of harm and do our best to allow others freedom of action even to do the wackiest of things without putting them or others at risk.

Maybe it’s too early, as yet, but my initial thought was where does one find a PUBLIC NOTICE (not something which has to be hunted for on a private website) which quietly explains when and what safety and marshaling provisions are planned to be made, to hold the “Beccles Swimming Event”.  It might even be that some Boat or adjacent land owners would like to help.  I’m not sure I can see how “my rights” could be infringed because I don’t know all the facts so see little point in getting ‘airyated’ over anything.  Just a final thought but to leave explanations to the last minute would be likely to get even normal folk wondering and antagonistic.

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This is extracted from the guidance issued to organisers, by the ASA and British Swimming:

“The Risk Assessment will form part of the Safety Case, which will also note results of consultations with regular users of the chosen water, including but not limited to – fishermen, lifeguards, canoeists, recreational boaters, divers, wind surfers, water skiers and jet skiers.”

I do hope Mel Holland’s brief forays into the two main Broads boating forums wasn’t just a box-ticking exercise so that she can say she ‘consulted’ with recreational boaters (I’m mindful, here, of JP’s use of the AskJP thread as being a ‘consultation’!).

Back to the BA’s powers – There is nothing I can find in the Harbours Act 1964 that can be used to prevent the event taking place. Most harbour authorities have their own bye laws. Lowestoft Harbour, for example, has a bye law which reads:

"No person shall dive or swim in the waters of the harbour without a permit issued by the harbour master."

The various Broads bye laws were made under the 1988 Act and contain no such prohibition.


"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)

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I’m not sure that one could claim to have ‘consulted’ with someone, if not prepared to converse in the same room.   I really don’t think that legal niceties are of any great importance here.  In point of fact the Public Order Acts 1986 & 1936 are probably just as relevant. What I would like to think is that a forum such as ours is primarily looking for ways in which folk can happily enjoy the Broads without causing problems, rather playing the Abdominal no-man.

Bill...(The Ancient Mardler)

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Apr-09-2018 @ 11:36 PM                           Permalink
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Having been a lifeguard some years ago, and received some training in open water swimming, and open water lifesaving, I have to say I would not wish to swim too far from Beccles Yacht Station. Indeed, I would be reluctant to swim anywhere near.

The major issue issue is casualty extraction unless you are along the stretch by the sailing club, there are few suitable exit points.

I have swam in the Broads in the few points where there are suitable entry and exit points, but would agree with the general advice which is don't.


Wocka Wocka Wocka

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Daz, you would know better than me, given that the less tidal reachs upstream would seem rather more favorable with easier access, would there be a problem with strap weed?  I know that this has in the past been sited as a problem when swimming on the Broads

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In all honesty I have no idea


Wocka Wocka Wocka

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Jul-01-2018 @ 6:25 PM                           Permalink
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So, after all the scare stories, it seems to have gone off successfully and without incident?  Well done the organisers!

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