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Your thoughts on this letter in the edp

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Who the Dickens is Mr Harris.

Women dont nag they just
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things out...



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I'd say a concerned private boater who is concerned the way the Ba is going and has put pen to paper and written a letter to the edp

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This year's census should reveal all.
While there may have a been a slight increase in the number of maximum size hire cruisers the bookings for those boat have declined.
If you want formal moorings there will always be an issue of oversubscription.

Many Thanks Tim

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This graph hasn't been continued,the 2014 cencus figures are in the Nav Com minutes.

Many Thanks Tim

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After a discussion about  moorings recently I got to thinking about when I started hiring in the 1970s when there were double the number of boats & i realised that by the time we came in Sept/Oct for several years there were dozens of wild moorings against the banks with plenty of evidence or regular use - bare ground paint marks on the roots and branches presumably caused by the pressure of visitors, then as the number of boats went into decline there was simply not the pressure.Also then most hires were for a full week or even two leading boats to explore more of the system.
The cost and complications of maintaining formal moorings (planning permission and Insurance being just two) will of course put many owners off of carrying out maintenance with some simply dissapearing due to insuficient return. If the numbers of boats which seem to be on an up BA may have to invest more though they will need to carry on the practice if not leasing at any cost. Purchaase by BA of the Acle Bridge Mooring is a step in the right direction.  

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To quote the EDP correspondent...

"The number of craft using the broads at present is far too great."

Then perhaps he should stop boating himself. That would be one less craft on the water. Or does he believe that others should be removed to make his personal experience more pleasurable?
That point at least smacks of a rather selfish attitude.

As has been pointed out, the present numbers of craft on the water is actually relatively low historically.
As for moorings... there are various reasons for that being a problem. Much discussed on here over the years.
These include (amongst others)difficult landowners, BA budgets and the refusal of private owners to play the game with double mooring and rafting. In my opinion it is the last of those that has made the biggest difference. In the seventies and eighties many mooring spots held at least two or three times as many boats as they do now. So despite the larger number of boats then  the two pm moor up was simply not necessary.

I do agree that the size of some boats on the Broads strikes me as crazy. Each to their own I guess.

As for general maintenance, I think that is reasonable. Not perfect, but reasonable. This is a wild and natural environment and should not be manicured. A lot more gets done on that front than in previous times.




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If as you suggest the OP gave up boating, do you expect his boat to dissapear in a puff of smoke ? It would probably outlive a lot of us !  

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I wonder where Mr Harris does his boating.

The number of boats on the water at any one time has decreased over the years, as the hire fleets (the heaviest users) decline. While the private fleet has increased, those boats are used very rarely, by comparison.

Size of hire boats? They come within the regulations and the increase seems to be in the height of them. This reduces the chances of them fitting under most of the bridges, which takes pressure off the quieter parts of the Broads.

Lack of moorings? In 2011, there were around 6,500 metres of BA 24hr moorings, at 51 sites. In 2018, there are more than 7,300 metres of moorings, at 59 sites. Trespass mooring against pilings has been reduced, because of the removal of the piling by the EA, but many have been ‘reinstated’ by intrepid boaters, who do not wish to be herded together at formal moorings.

State of banks, overhanging trees and general maintenance? The river banks are the responsibility of the land owner. The BA, at the request of the owner, will assist with signage to close popular trespass moorings, when they become overused and the bank is being eroded.

It’s the same with overhanging trees. The BA can only take unilateral action when there is an obstruction to the navigation, or danger to boaters. I think I have seen more bank clearance by the BA (with permission from owners) in the last couple of years than I have seen in the previous decade.

The rangers have a responsibility for the general maintenance and safety of the moorings on their patch, and I reckon they do a good job. I would mention, however, that I came past the end of Crome’s Dyke yesterday and that is now not navigable because of the growth of reed, which has grown from the How Hill side (BA owned) across to the overhanging vegetation on the opposite side (Catfield PC). There used to be two boats moored in that dyke not too long ago, but you can’t even get a kayak up there now!

I’m not sure what he means by moorings being ‘hogged’. I have never failed to secure a mooring, if it has meant asking one or two boats to move up a bit to let me in. I have only ever witnessed one (private) boater flatly refuse to move to let someone in (he would lose his fishing space). I well remember the name of that boat!

Mr Harris may have some good points to make, but I don’t think he made them in that letter.


"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)

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Exile wrote, "...the refusal of private owners to play the game with double mooring and rafting. In my opinion it is the last of those that has made the biggest difference."

Exile, it may surprise you to know that the majority of BA moorings at which double mooring is permitted are on the southern rivers (11 sites, none of which I would describe as 'hot spots'), while the complaints about lack of moorings seem to come from users of the northern rivers.

Of the 5 on the northern rivers (excluding Gt Yarmouth Yacht Station), one (Hoveton Viaduct) is so under-used that the BA are giving up the lease on half of it, and the others tend to be more popular with hirers, who might be more amenable to double mooring.

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)

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