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"What's the problem with someone who overstays a few hours."

I think it is a matter of days, even weeks, not hours. Following your logic to its natural conclusion, all those boaters who pay for their moorings could just leave their boats on BA moorings, for free. I don't see what the time of year has got to do with it.

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Yeah but the difference between me and someone who pays for moorings, in my opinion, is I use my boat at least 3 days a week now I am retired and the others maybe a few days a year. Some boats are left in marinas for years on end an never moved. A boat is for moving on water not standing and getting stagnant. I usually moor as often as I can at a different place every trip out but with weather or sickness not a guarantee.  

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So are you saying you don't have a permanent mooring and just leave your boat at BA moorings when not on it then?


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Not just free moorings. Quite often wild moorings. Most of the time I am onboard. Out on the water every other day. Now I've reached 70, unfortunately, more doctors appointments.

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If people choose to "leave their boats in marinas for years on end" that's their choice surely? No bearing on what others do to avoid charges. They've paid for their mooring and paid river tax so can do what they want with their boat. However, I actually doubt that most people pay an annual mooring fee year after year and never go out at all, but those with work commitments and who don't live locally  may not have the same opportunities to get afloat as a retired or local boater.

As for as overstayers are concerned, I personally suppport any action being taken against those who regularly abuse the system -  24 hour moorings are exactly that, and in my view are surely provided for lesiure purposes. There will sometimes be good reason for some flexibility such as a boat stuck beyond a bridge in exceptional high tides , a breakdown or emergency, but I guess the rangers make allowances for that, whilst knowing who the regular offenders are.

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I agree with you Karen , and also believe the rangers know perfectly well who the regular offenders are and where they offend.

However the powers that be would need to change the policy on dealing with these offenders and I don't see that happening anytime soon.

In the case referred to in this post it does not need a ranger to attend for days at a time, any  member of BA staff or a volunteer could take a photo at the basin on  their way to work each day. That process would be inexpensive and simple ..

The problem is prosecuting in court IS expensive and if the inevitable outcome is a smallish fine which is never paid then what is the point .

Changing the law to allow the BA to sieze and remove contravening vessels is out of the question so we are left with administrative action .

It would require a change of policy to a more rigorous and robust set of administrative actions including naming and shaming and unannounced  boat safety inspections and insurance checks  which would not be straight forward and would not come without risk.  I for one do not want to see Rangers with body armour and body cams patrolling the rivers .  

Any such change would inevitably have unforseen consequences , just speak to a member of the windrush generation who have suffered as a result of such a tightening  in policy.

On balance I  think I prefer the light touch approach no matter how frustrating it sometimes is .

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