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Yes, JM I too am very conscious of taking a one design and changing it, and yes, hypocritical as well, seeing others doing the same to many delightful broads motor cruisers and yachts. What I did find comforting though was the mention on the WOD website regarding the introduction of a grp version of the boat and the comment that there was the possibility of producing a version along the lines of the Thurne Restricted Class.
Looking at the beautiful line drawings I have of the Waveney and her exquisite sheerline I find it strange that a cabin version had never been built.
Even in her current condition Orchis has many non standard parts which would need changing to get her back in class, such as the tabernacle which is mahogany and should be oak, a couple of floors, although supporting the keelbolts, are not, according to the plans, supporting the right bolts. I have no intention of racing the boat in class, (Oulton Broad is a long way by river from Stalham!) rather using her the same as Jamesia 2, as a fun, easily handled, compact  family boat ideally suited to her environment.
Dave, it is very easy to get the topsail pole looking right on a drawing, unfortunately a bit more difficult with the real thing!
Keif’s mate, I do agree, if I can work it all carefully sometime in the future she could be converted back.
John, nothing too technical about the rig, just looks pretty! No, what JM says I’ve heard too. Somewhere I read that the cut of the mainsail resulted in a flappy leech and they suffered from weather helm. Rather than mess around with the keel position my idea is to reduce the length of the boom and add a bit more area up top, it results in the same sail area and overall height with the c of e a little further forward, hopefully reducing the weather helm. The other option would be a gunter rig with either a shorter boom or longer bowsprit and larger jib.
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Mat, WOD 1 (Tansey) is or was at Thurne so a race could be on the books.

Re tabernacles, W10's was and is mahogany. To be honest I thought that they all were. Re keels, Orchis's was originally wood. Trouble is that she once capsized on her
mooring! Perhaps her floors were moved when her keel was changed for a steel one.

Re cabins on the grp version, a certain individual that my wife knows extremely well also suggested a bolt on false keel that would allow the hull to be used for a motor
boat, ultimate sacrilege!

You probably know ALA, a North Rivers half decker. Apparently she was built on WOD moulds but fitted with a centre-plate. I saw her in the summer, she looks good now, see
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See what you've done now JM, another option on rigs, lug with a jib, like the Yarmouth's. Ala looks lovely, fortunately I have plenty to be getting on with sorting the hull, so any other options/ideas greatly received.
Bye the way, the line drawing I have shows only the plate keel with lead bolted either side, and scantlings state the tabernacle to be oak.
Apparently Tansy is out of class as she has a forehatch and squared of coaming at the front, there is also Sundew, hired from Hunters.
I don't know too much generally about class rules, but was under the impression that the boats had to be exactly the same spec.
Mat

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For info:
http://intheboatshed.net/2008/06/11/the-waveneys-of-the-norfolk-broads/
Mention of Tim Flower as a builder is a typo. Tim's surname was Fowler. Tim's son was Jack and when their yard moved from Marham Road in Lowestoft it became Fowlers boatyard besides Oulton Broad, builders and hirers of Dazzling Waters, Calm Waters etc. Tim & Jack always claimed that Fowlers was the first Broads yard to build cruisers with the aft cockpits and pram hood type covers. Tim, as a young man, crewed on the well known 'Royal Knocking Ship' Doris when she went to the Isle of Wight for the Cowes Regatta. Doris is the well known houseboat that used to be at Beccles for a long time.

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http://www.thegreenbook.org.uk

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Mat, they are all pretty close but most have veered a little from being identical over time. Half the fleet, for example, had balanced rudders, the other half had stuck to the
original design. There were efforts during the late 50's to draw up new rules that would allow the minor variations to remain in class. Ala used to race as a Waveney until it
was decided that her variations were hardly minor. As a matter of interest Thalia was once Marconi rigged and she out-sailed the whole fleet.

Re Tansey, she was the first, subsequent ones were improved and it was long thought that she was different but nevertheless she is W1. A number of the earlier ones have
variations to their decks. One even had a carling hatch.

Yacht 'Jenny Morgan'
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Shortening the boom and increasing higher-level sail area will move the Centre of Effort forrard a bit and reduce the weather helm, but it will also increase the heel, potentially quite a bit.  I would favour a fractionally longer bowsprit (say an extra 6 inches), and seeing if the fairleads can be adjusted so she'll take a jib with a longer foot, coming back aft of the mast.  That way, you'll move the C of E forrard, and also quite probably improve upwind performance by increasing the speed and volume of air coming over the lee side of the main.  You'd also have a boat which was less 'tender' and able to cope with gusts better.

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I'll leave the sail plan theory and class issues stuff to the wiser and better informed.

I think she looks a great boat idea and I know you have the skill and stamina to do it.

Call her a pastiche of a river cruiser and a WOD.  You can then please the 'arty' set as well.

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My family owned Tansey in the 60's. Sailed like  a pig apparently. Not that I have seen pigs sailing.

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once the mattt has worked his magic on her she will sial once agin well dun good ole boy i say .....

10/10............matt and no winges ....

get this forum back on track i say

boat stuff and no rubbish when we run out of stuff


goood one matt nice thread .....

many a good sail in her i say ......


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ohh forgot stick a huge veee 8 in it ..... Wink

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