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Marshman
Dec-29-2017 @ 3:30 PM                           Permalink
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Presumably you have checked Topsail?? Pegasus 700 or 800 both available and both would fit your criteria! More room, pay more or less, pay less!
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I would listen to MM.
Especially the Pegasus 700 and 800 which come with a variety of keel options. Simply choose one that you see as most suitable for your needs. They are obviously already on your radar.
These are generally not expensive boats to buy. They fit the bill ideally for Broads and coastal sailing.

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Have you tried Appollo Duck .com? They usually have a few seagoing boats on. Classic yachts is also a good place but you being a fan of the wooden boats will already know that.... In my experience if you are looking for a boat that is already on the broads then March is a good time to look as its renew Tolls time and most marinas have their berth fees letter out too, so March is usually the time to find people deciding that the boat has got to go due to expense. If distance is no object and you don't mind a sea voyage, try Gallows Point boat yard by Beaumaris on Anglesey N Wales, I bought my boat there as I was after a distinctive type of boat but they do have a few sailboats cheap as they are projects that people have given up on. Dickies boat yard in Bangor, N Wales is also a good place to look for the same reason.... People with projects that prove too expensive or the wife puts her foot down. Or even E Bay. One note though on Appollo Duck..... The person who is selling the boat supply's the pictures and Appollo them selves don't check if the picture is current! When I left the military I went round in a camper van viewing all the boats if shortlisted and found a few were actually sunk and the pictures very very out of date! Ironically I found my boat 50 miles away from where I was brought up as a kid and u was only there due to circumnavigating Anglesy in a kayak! Odd how things work out. Good luck with the hunt..... Somewhere out there there is a boat with your name on it, you just have to be patient and maybe settle for so thing with potential rather than a hard fast it " must have" I was after a 60' fishing boat and ended up with a 20' colvic but, she spoke to me and I knew she would be mine and she had potential....

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Thanks MM and Exile

The Pegasus 700 was top of my list when I first started looking but I am yet to find one that fits all my requirements. Any Hunter yachts based on the Sonata hull and with a shallow fin keel would be second choice.

Stick: Yes I am keeping tabs on Appollo Duck and brokers based on the coast and have been investigating a few boats which could be adapted for the Broads, hence the enquiries about mast-lowering gear and sea loos!
I guess March might be a good time to buy but in the past I have usually bought a yacht at the end of the season, then tucked them up in a yard's shed to spend weeks on finding new gear, making modifications and   completing thorough painting, varnishing and antifouling before launching at the end of March.

Thanks again to all for your help and guidance.

cheers

Broadreach


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Broadreach

I have an a-frame with an electric winch arrangement (see photo).

If you buy a yacht without an A-Frame as has been suggested you can get a stainless steel fabricator to make one for you, or as others have said, you can make one with something like a second hand spinnaker pole and strops each side that line up with the hinge point to create the "A" frame. Add a block and tackle and bobs your uncle..... I did this on my last boat as the foredeck was too small for a permanent a-frame.

As for toilet, although there are no specific requirements for yachts on the broads, I fitted a holding tank a couple of years ago - main challenge being space for the tank and all the pipework that goes with it. However it is possible to do. I think we will see more and more yachts being designed with Holding tanks as standard in the future.

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Broadreach
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Thanks GW2000

That looks a very impressive set-up with winch and mast in a nicely made stainless steel tabernacle. Your boat looks bigger that something like a Pegasus 700. Is it nearer 28-30ft? Did you have the tabernacle and A frame made on the Broads? Can you recommend a good stainless steel fabricator?
Having only lowered and raised counter-balanced wooden masts in tabernacles I have no idea about hingeing a metal mast or fitting one in a tabernacle like yours.
If I do buy a boat without a hinge plate at the mast foot is it easy to have one fitted? Similarly, if I have a tabernacle made can any mast be drilled to take the pivot bolt? I guess the area around the hole would have to be strengthened to spread the load and prevent cracking and dismasting?

This is all starting to sound much more complex (and expensive) than I thought.

However,I am determined to learn and avoid making any expensive mistakes.

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Broadreach


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Broadreach, this post from earlier this year should answer your questions about sea toilets.

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)

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Broad reach, keep a hawk eye out for an Evolution 19 or if the budget will stretch the next sistership up, 21 22 ish. Both lift keels from about a foot to five draft, and trailer sailer racers. They,re the late 70s equivalent of the modern beneateaufirst brand yachts and more akin to the class of a southerly swing keel if they ever did something this scale. The evo will out sail a horizon or Pegasus based on what I’ve witnessed. The other consideration is a Parker or a Jaguar. The westerly 22 is a bit more of a slouch on the broads but an excellent sea boat for coast hopping and with full beam accommodation albeit not standing headroom and a simple rig more akin to what the broads minded dismaster is likely to find undaunting.

I’m sure dufour or laser did something similar in the 80s but can’t for the life of me remember which model, there was one called whisper at hickling I think.

With a lift keel and lighter carbon rig and aero foil rudders and water tight windows there never been a better time to bag a bargain and enjoy the best of both worlds! Happy hunting but not necessarily in a hunter!

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I like your style Turnoar

I might be a retired older gent but I do like a fast, efficient yacht or dinghy. In fact, I still enjoy racing Lasers, cats and fast two-crew dinghies during annual hols in Greece. Will keep watch for the boats you recommended. There is a Jaguar 22  currently on the market.
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Paladine: Thanks for directing me to the link with the info on using sea toilets on the Broads. I think you have spared me from wasting a lot of time and money. Having read through the various messages it seems clear that sea loos are strictly taboo and anyone caught emptying them into the Broads network faces a fine of up to £2,500.
Instead of searching for a yacht to sail at sea and return to the Broads after an absence of 13 or so years I think I would be better off staying away or ruling out a cruising yacht. I had hoped to take my children and my grandchildren on trips around the Broads for old time's sake.
But if I have to spend a fortune just to spend a penny (plus buy an A-frame etc etc)  perhaps a nice wooden Yare and Bure One Design or Waveney OD or Brown Boat for day trips would be a cheaper and greener alternative. At least in a half-decker I wouldn't  need a smelly, noisy and polluting motor, just a pair of oars if the wind drops!

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Broadreach




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