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Paladine
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Broadreach, it seems you didn't read the byelaws, a copy of which I posted last April. Take another look at the attachment in my April post. The restrictions only apply to vessels that use mechanical power as the principal propulsion source (and houseboats), so sailing vessels are exempt.

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)

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Ah yes, I see. I missed the bylaws bit. Thanks for pointing it out, Paladine. And good morning to you. You are up and about early. Are you always up with the lark?

OK, it seems pretty clear that sailing vessels are exempt, but for how long?

From reading the posts on this forum it would seem that many  boat owners believe the restrictions already apply or should apply to all vessels with a cabin, berths and cooking facilities.

There have also been comments from owners who have fitted holding tanks to their yachts.

Also, during my many searches of brokers' websites for a suitable GRP yacht for use on the Broads, I have found adverts describing how sea loos had been disconnected or taken out and replaced with chemical toilets.

I have always been keen to do whatever I can to protect the environment and even when sea sailing on yachts with holding tanks I have preferred to use shore facilities wherever possible instead of polluting a marina or river estuary.

I would do the same on the Broads, although in some areas shore facilities are few and far between.

All this has got me thinking. Maybe I need to change tack and buy a nice day sailer and be a completely pollution-free yacht owner. I would love to have another wooden half-decker such as a Y&BOD. I could race it and use it for family cruises.

And if Mrs B puts her foot down and protests at the thought of my DIY time switching to painting and decorating a wooden yacht I could look for a Yeoman instead.

Another possibility is to have a sea yacht for coastal cruising but to HIRE a half-decker or wooden yacht for occasional trips on the Broads.

Now that would seem to be the best of both worlds!

I shall now sit back and see what  turns up in  2018.

Happy New Year, folks, and thanks for your help so far.

Cheers

Broadreach











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Hello Broadreach

Its a white silk 28, so slightly bigger than a Pegasus 800. It was built by Martham Ferry Boat Yard (before the boat yard was re-developed), with the A-Frame and Tabernacle as part of the original specification. Its based on a Jaguar 28 hull with a modified rig and shallow fin keel for the broads.

Decks are substantially re-enforced around the tabernacle and at the bow + it has a decent layup anyway by todays standard. Its no racer but has very nice manners and continues to be a great family boat for us.

I think your best bet will be to look for something with an A-frame already. By the time you have had something fabricated, fiddled around with fitting a tabernacle and perhaps having to strengthen areas of the deck, you might find yourself spending a lot of money on something that won't add any value to the boat in the long term.

I bought mine as a bit of a project 8 years ago and have been improving it and replacing things on it ever since. I've almost got it to how I want it but there are always improvements to be made somewhere.

If you take your time there are some really nice older GRP boats that are either built for the broads or ex hire or have already been modified already and that come up for very reasonable money sometimes. Most of them are pretty well built to.

My advice - Take your time and see as many as you can and eventually you will find something that fits your needs. -

You never know, you will probably find a boat covered in dirt, looking very sad and uncared for, needing more work than you thought, needing more pockets than you have but it feels just the right one. Your other half is bound to think you are having a mid-life crisis, your friends will think you are mad and have lost the plot, but still something tells you this is the boat for you......

Also by looking at lots of boats, you will get a better feel for what will work and what won't and also what you can get for those precious earned pennies. Its amazing what a bit of TLC and elbow grease can do.

The other important thing to consider is what type of sailing you intend to do. Ask yourself:

What can I comfortably handle on my own if I don't have crew?

If you have crew - great - but are they likely to be there all the time?

Are you going to be staying on board or just day sailing. If the later, no need to have lots of cabins and facilities that will need maintaining even if not used.

Do I want an inboard? Outboards are so much easier and cheaper to maintain and you can take them home to work on when they go wrong. Inboards are a pain in the backside when they go wrong and can be expensive to fix if they have not been looked after (I've basically rebuilt my inboard since I have had it - It would have been better to have had a new one in the first place!!)

Don't forget to think about other expenses like moorings, insurance, winter storage.

Perhaps try the day sailing route to start with to see if you really do get out on the water frequently enough before committing to something larger.

In any case good luck with what ever direction you decide to take!

Guy

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From experience, if you do go inboard then I would try to avoid sail-drives. They suffer like outdrives on motor boats with the power going through too many right angles. If they are not meticulously maintained they can prove very costly.

Chris.

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have not tried mud weight yet!

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Try this for info on tabernacles etc

http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?217080-Converting-a-mast-to-a-tabernacle

Incidentally if you type tabernacle in on Google it comes up with the meaning of " Hebrew moveable church" amongst other things!

There are quite a few questions on the subject if you type in mast lowering etc.  

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Good evening Guy

Thanks very much for your message which is full of very sound advice. Are you a counsellor specialising in yachtitis, the terrible infliction suffered by a sailing enthusiast who is currently without a boat? If not, you bloomin’ well ought to be!
Yes, you are quite right. I need to sit down with spreadsheet, clipboard and pencil and tick off my sailing requirements.
Fortunately, I have a long list of sailing chums and relatives who want to crew. Also, fortunately, I can sail single-handed. I also like the idea of day sailing or longer cruising.
Deep down I would love another wooden half-decker. Maybe I could get a wooden White Boat and tell my wife that the hull is GRP but made to look like wood. Sensibly I should go for a GRP day boat.
On the other hand, I would liker a yacht to sail on the Broads then out through Lowestoft to cruise to Essex and beyond.
I have thought about moorings and found several nice spots. I have even got an insurance quote for a Pegasus700.
I’ll try to make a decision on what to purchase by the end of this year, or perhaps during the first part of 2018.
I’ll let you know.

By the way, your boat sounds great and it must to be good to sail on the Broads and at sea.

ChrisHGB:
I’ll bear that in mind.  At least I can tinker with outboards but I have never had to strip down on inboard.

Stick: That’s a really handy website. Thanks for pointing me to it.

Cheers all

Broadreach






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Broadreach, if you’re considering a White Boat but don’t want the maintenance....are you aware they’re also avialable in GRP?

Brown Boats come this way too....new is way out of my league but there are a few about and may rarely come up used too.

(Thinks bubble....would like to see how a Portapotti might fit in a Brown....)

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Thanks Coriolis

I am aware that there are GRP YBODs, but I don't think they come on to the market too often and when they do they are likely to be way beyond my budget.
A Pegasus is probably my best bet. I've never sailed one but I understand that they are the best production yachts for the Broads judging by their popularity at Northern Rivers Sailing Club.
A sailing chum of mine is a big fan of the Pegasus but doesn't like Hunters at all! I've never sailed a Hunter (except the wooden beauties of the Hunter Fleet) but my mate reckons they are "tippy" and slow to tack. But I have seen a few good reports about some of them, especially the Sonatas.
I am keeping an open mind!

cheers
Broadreach


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Should you decide to go for a day keelboat then a Yeoman is a good choice, there are a few around and generally much cheaper than other classes.
The Two main fleets are At Wroxham and Horning. My favourite is Horning.
HSC family membership is only £115 a year, it would give you access to the toilet /shower block at all times and the club house, although the T bar is only open when there is something on.
Our moorings are generally cheaper than anywhere else, Though to start with you would be moored across the river (club dinghy provided).
https://horning-sailing.club/
http://www.yeomankinsman.org.uk/

The Winter racing of Yeomans is controlled by a totally different club Snowflakes SC, which rent Horning for the Winters.
http://www.sfsc.co.uk/Sailprog.htm




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Many thanks Sheque1

I looked at the class website and saw that there are several very good yachts for sale. Very tempting!

Cheers

Broadreach

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