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Marshman
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To be brutally honest, I think the compromise may be just too difficult to make and with that in mind, you may be forced to make a stark choice!! In reality I believe the negatives from making such a decision as you are trying too, are just too great. So back to basics.....

Buy a Broads boat and charter once a year offshore to get it out of your system and or/bum trips with mates
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Vice versa!!!



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Thanks for being brutally honest, MM. I have been agonising for months over whether to buy a yacht to sail the Broads or coastal or both.
Had I opted for Broads-only I would have snapped up a traditional half-decker or river cruiser in the past month, even though Mrs B doesn't like the idea of me spending valuable DIY time painting and decorating a wooden yacht! There are some good boats on the market.
Had I chosen the coastal course I would have bought a Sadler, 25, a Contessa 26 and similar-sized classic GRP cruising yacht and keep it in Essex or Suffolk. Again, there are some good boats for sale at the moment.
But a good Pegasus could be OK for sailing at sea and on the Broads.
I would go for a mooring close to Oulton Broad and sail only on the open and reasonably tree-free southern rivers, where a yacht's sailing performance is not quite so critical.
Several other owners of production yachts race on the Broads and also cruise at sea and I mentioned the video of a Hunter Horizon 23 which sailed up from the Medway, cruised around the Broads before sailing back home in a day (leaving Lowestoft at about 4.30am and arriving off Faversham at around 8pm).
I'll keep an open mind at this stage to see if the perfect Plan A yacht does loom over the horizon, but not necessarily a Hunter.

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Totally agree!
The Broads are just great for sailing and there are is a lot of sense in hiring an offshore boat.........but chose the Greek Islands rather than the North Sea......although The Deben and Orwell are nice and the Iselmeer is also within striking distance.

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Thanks Cocklegat. I am not sure if you are agreeing with, me wanting to hold out for Plan A or MM who says 'one or the other'.
Hiring is a good option and we will continue to have our sailing holidays in the Greek islands. But I don't fancy hiring a sea yacht in the UK as you usually have to book well in advance and the week or fortnight you book might turn out to be appalling, weather-wise.
No, I like the idea of having an all-purpose yacht and go sea sailing when the weather looks set fair. Being retired, it is a luxury I can enjoy. The only additional expense is the fee for locking out at Oulton Broad which, I understand, is more than £40 return.
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Broadbeach,

Sounds like a good plan.  While I am a huge fan of small Broads boats, I was always impressed by the performance of the pocket type sailing cruisers which have a long pedigree in this country of giving great performance.  I am not a fan of bilge keels, although many moons ago frequently sailed the tiny Silhouette, both on the Broads and at Sea!!! This was a surprisingly good sail boat although far to small.  The southern north sea is famous for its short steep tide induced waves which are referred to as 'Chop'  Places such as the area around Lowestoft harbour can be pretty Choppy and the pounding you get between bilge keels, even on a nice day is very unpleasant.  Fin keels can have the draw back of their depth, for Broads sailing but are far better for the sea. The limitation of these boats not being able to 'take the ground' on east coast rivers, such as the Orwell is over stated.  Stick with either a lifting keel or fin keel of reasonable draught and you won't go far wrong.
Getting out to sea from Oulton sounds expensive, I had the good fortune of using the RSNYC when sailing from Lowestoft and once kept a boat at Yarmouth which was much simpler so can't say much about using Mutford lock.

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Aha - the famous North Sea "chop"!! Had to deal with that plenty of times - you either have a heavy enough boat to cope with it by powerig through or just "stop" - literally!!!!

When I sailed out there in a Westerly Pentland that could usually cope well and at such times it was more than a match for the lighter boats - drop the wind speed to Force 1 or perhaps 2, and they would disappear over the horizon!!

Happy Days !!

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That reminds me of a very curious case of Lowestoft chop during a trip on a Hallberg-Rassy 36. We left the pontoon at RNSYC in glorious sunshine one early morning in June and headed south. A couple of miles to the south east we ran into dense fog but still had a favourable NNE F4, plus chop from the last of the ebb. We bounced around for about 30 minutes keeping a good listening watch for anything heading our way before the fog and chop cleared. We then hoisted the spinnaker and made good time to the Orwell.
The mention of a Silhouette reminds me of a fun trip my wife and I had with another couple in the late 60s. We were members of a dinghy club on the Blackwater sailing Ents, Merlin Rockets and Fireballs when a friend bought or was given a ply Silhouette.
He thought it would be a good idea to do a mini-cruise down river to West Mersea. I can't remember how on earth we all managed to sleep on board as it was bad enough fitting us all in the cockpit. I remember spending most of the trip as human ballast, sitting near the bow to keep some form of trim to the tiddler yacht.
Before setting off we thought the Silhouette sail plan was too small. So we took an Ent main and jib to hoist when we were running down river in very light airs.
I don't remember the boat performing too well, but the meal and beer we had ashore at W Mersea was very nice.

I have added another requirement for my perfect Broads/sea yacht. It must be capable of chomping through a wholesome Lowestoft chop. Sounds like a local delicacy - Not!




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I'm preaching among  the converted! Hallberg Rassy was once one of my dream boats!! Never got to sail one but have sailed plenty of good boats on the east coast. By the way I once got a good bit of advice from Tommy Knott in Lowestoft about how to 'navigate' from Lowestoft to Ostend. 'Boy', he said. 'Yew go right head with the block of flats in lowestoft dead astern, keep yew a'going and when yew see the block of flats on the bow, that's Ostend.  
He was right of course and sound advice, in that Navigation is an art and NOT a science, despite the (very useful) GPS you still need common sense and a bit of practical experience. You get the experience by doing it and learning from your mistakes.



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Wow broadreach, I too have sailed a hr36 but out of the hamble into the Solent on a busy Saturday afternoon. Lovely sail and great to windward dodging cruise liners pilot boats etc. The owner let me take her back into the marina and she handled like a car, Mercedes Benz probably. Unforgettable and it’s those quality experiences which make compromising between sea and broads so impossible... two boats is the answer!

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I've just been swotting up on Broads tolls and safety regs to see how they might affect my choice of sea boat to use on the Broads.
If I do go for a yacht around 26ft I think the Broads toll will be around £210 based on the length x beam dimensions. I guess the overall length rather waterline is the figure used by the BA.
Also, I noticed that motorised sailing craft cannot have engines producing more than 10bhp. What is the reasoning behind that?  Can a larger engine be limited to comply with this ruling?
I think I am up to speed on the safety regulations.

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BR


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