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Apr-21-2016 @ 9:24 PM                           Permalink
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Due to cuts in funding it appears that most of the councils that have Broads rivers in their area have removed a large number of the skips that river users use to dispose of their rubbish.

While I understand their problems, and it's not the BA's responsibility to remove rubbish is it not possible for the BA to in some way facilitate these skips being restored?

Private boaters can always take their rubbish back to their home moorings, but hire users cannot.

Emptying a standard 1100 litre skip only costs about £15. Even with a hirecraft with 12 people on board they would be hard pushed to create that amount of rubbish, and they've probably paid over £2,000 for the boat hire.

Would it be possible for the BA to find a way to get rubbish disposal sorted, at least during the high season when the majority of hirecraft are out on the rivers?

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Apr-21-2016 @ 9:41 PM                           Permalink
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Richard wrote
"Private boaters can always take their rubbish back to their home moorings"

But I can't.

There used to be rubbish and recycling bins provided by the local authority (probably Broadland, but I'm not certain) at the side of the public car park close to the moorings where I keep my boat.  Those facilities were removed early last year.  There is no rubbish collection service by the local authority to collect the domestic waste from the moorings where my boat is kept (along with several other private boats).

So, what are private boaters like me meant to do with the non-commercial domestic waste from our boats, which the local authority is meant to be statutorily obliged to deal with?




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Apr-21-2016 @ 10:02 PM                           Permalink
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As private boat owners we hope to spend 3 or four weeks away from our moorings this year. What will we do with our rubbish? To say there are a few bins in various places is not the answer. People needing to  get rid of rubbish will probably stop and then stay overnight therefore others will not be able to gain access to the bins. Also, it is not our desire to plan our holiday route by where we can dump our rubbish. I am sure that people such as ourselves will not just dump rubbish anywhere, therefore the idea that the extent of the inconvenience will be judged by the amount of illegal dumping recorded will reflect the inconvenience caused. The "inconvenience"  will be on our boats, smelling, encouraging vermin and swarming with maggots. Not what I nor any others want from their holiday "home".

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Apr-21-2016 @ 10:05 PM                           Permalink
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Jeremy Aslan that is a very good question, due to your particular situation.
If it is limited to only private moorings where you are, and the bin was provided by a district council, as opposed to the owner of the site of the moorings, it would be very interesting to know if they class that too as commercial waste and if not, why it was removed? However I would suggest it is a question for the district council not the BA, but one that they should definitely be asked.

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Apr-21-2016 @ 10:22 PM                           Permalink
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Dump it where the rubbish bins use to be, that will give the councils something to think about   Tinhat

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Adrian, Michelle, Beck Braydon and Bump.

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"Dump it where the rubbish bins use to be, that will give the councils something to think about"

No it wont!!! It is then classed as fly-tipping nad clearance becomes the landowners responsibilty. You could also be prosecuted if the landowner can prove you dumped it. Hire boats take it to a hire yard, private boats take it to your home wheely bin.  boat-sail

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Quote "... private boats take it to your home wheely bin"

What a ridiculous idea, not every private owner lives a few miles from their moorings, and only go out on day trips.

It takes us 3 1/2 hours to get to the Broads, OK, our choice, as a consequence we visit the boat for many days at a time, sometimes three weeks, our boat isn't big enough to store that much waste, being a small boat we can never be more than a metre from it...  even then, it starts to obscure the windscreen.
Private boats must have their own facilities, but then hirers that could use other yards, would use them too, and if road access is available, so will passing motor vehicles.

What is wrong with what we had? from the boater's point of view, it worked very well.
Here is an idea, issue every private toll payer with a key for access to waste disposal bins, then when the Council spend 5 minutes emptying the wheely bin, they can budget to spend an hour picking up litter from fly tipped black bin liners that have been torn open by local vermin.
Or the BA could negotiate with hire yards to allow private owners to use the yard's bins, they could give them a concession on toll fees.
Drat... an opportunity missed by the BA there, they should have negotiated this BEFORE they reduced their toll payment factor.
Maybe allowed water take on too. I am not impressed with the BA's negotiating skills. I am a businessman, when negotiating contracts, especially when price is involved, it is normal to negotiate something in return.  The term " What's in it for him ?" springs to mind.
Too late to go back on that one for this season, and next season, the hire companies will expect an even lower factor.
Just my thoughts of course.

best regards, Richard.

Can't wait to be back on our boat on
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Surely it is not for the BA to deal with any waste. But, if they wish to there is a pretty simple answer.

Could the BA (or indeed local councils) not have bags made (printed?) which they could then sell (or otherwise provide) to boat users for the disposal of boat related waste.

It seems pretty simple to me that hire yards could obtain bags for their customers (maybe provide a number FOC and charge for any extra's requested). Privateers could be provided with a certain number each year, and again charged for excess.

All that is required then is that disposal facilities be provided where ONLY those bags are accepted. This could be say boatyards, yacht stations etc.

Why would this not work?

Wocka Wocka Wocka

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Boat-waste deposited at boatyards and the yacht stations is classified as commercial waste. And therein lies the problem. The county council charge for collection AND disposal of commercial waste.

Waste from private boats (used for accommodation) is classified as Household Waste, and provision should be made for free collection and disposal, as it is from domestic households, but Norfolk County Council, the relevant councils and the Broads Authority all ignore the Household Waste classification and regard ALL boat-waste as commercial waste.

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It won't work daz because not everyone is responsible in getting rid of their rubbish , it won't reduce fly tipping at all nor bags of rubbish in the rivers , why should private boats have to pay they can deposit their rubbish in council bins those that are available because as paladine quite rightly pointed out either here or somewhere else on this forum private boat rubbish is NOT commercial waste .

Richard

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