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Neither I, nor would I allow anyone with me, to  dump rubbish except in the receptacles provided, and I guess most owners have the same regard for our towns, villages and countryside. I would rather put up with the problem of rubbish onboard than stoop to such levels, hence the Councils will probably be able to say "problem-what problem?" Also probably why I still have the grandchildrens sweet papers in my car from way back in history!
Apologies for bad phrasing in first sentence, I'm sure you know what I meant!

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OK, here's a thought.

It is clear that the local authorities (jointly, apparently) do not want to provide even the most minimal of services for private boaters who visit the Broads  -  even when the relevant legislation says they should.

So, if as a private boater, I am expected to keep one or two week's worth of rubbish on my boat (not sure where, it's not a very big boat)  -  should I also make absolutely certain that I bring ALL my food and provisions with me and make sure that I spend no money whatsoever in any of the local businesses  -  because they'd be paying local taxes to an authority that won't provide me the services they ought to?  Smile



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J-A, perhaps a logical extension of your argument would be to move your/our boating activities to waterways on which those facilities ARE provided.   Evil Grin

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
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Paladine, so that's the RSPB plan, get everybody to move to other waterways and then get National Park status for the Broads on the grounds of lack of use as navigations.

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Before that idea gains too much momentum, I suggest you read the case of Josie Rowland v The Environment Agency.

Briefly, the case involved a stretch of water, a loop in the River Thames known as Hedsor Water. In 1830 the Thames Commissioners made a cut in the river above Hedsor Water to enable river traffic to bypass it. [Think the River Yare at Thorpe St Andrew and the New Cut]

Weirs were subsequently constructed at the upper and lower ends of Hedsor Water and, from 1846 onwards, public navigation over Hedsor Water practically ceased. Between 1894 and 1948 the navigation authorities appeared to have inferred from the absence of exercise of public navigation rights over Hedsor Water that it was private and thereafter acted on that basis.

In 2001 the Environment Agency concluded that the ancient navigable status of the Thames at Hedsor had never been extinguished by statute or other competent authority and informed the claimant (Josie Rowland) that it proposed to remove all signage prohibiting or purporting to prohibit public navigation in the Thames at Hedsor. She issued proceedings and lost. The judge agreed with the Environment Agency.

So even after more than 150 years of non-use, the right of navigation was still extant. It just need the EA to give it a push. [Now think Hoveton Great Broad  Evil Grin  ]

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And just to add to Pally's comment, the RSPB do not OWN the Broads and indeed only a small part relative to the whole - whilst i know the comment was only made in jest I promise you the whole of Norfolk will have disappeared - except the hills, long before that happens!

The trouble is some people actually believe all this stuff thats written  - thats how silly rumours get turned into supposed "fact".

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In response to Pally  -  my initial comment was slightly tongue-in-cheek (hence the smiley), but you actually show one possible logical outcome of the principle.

If private boaters find the experience of boating on the Broads less enjoyable (having to carry around many bags of stinking rubbish could easily cause that), it is quite possible that some of them will, indeed, choose to relocate their boating activities to other locations.  Those locations may be elsewhere in the U.K., or possibly abroad.

While one single issue might not be the cause of a mass exodus on its own, it may be just another factor in discouraging boating.  What would that do to the local economy, to shops, pubs & boatyard services?


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As usual I see much hot air here and very little light.

I for one am not prepared to travel back from my boating holidays with 1-2 weeks worth of stinking rubbish in the back of my car. Whoever thought that one up has a screw lose somewhere.  If the bins that we rely on are removed this year, we will be selling up and to hell with the Broads, which is becoming a toxic mix of leftie local politics, over-powerful local landowners and agencies such as BA/EA that are either ineffectual or have an agenda which is different to that of Broads users.

I will holiday somewhere that values my custom.

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Would be sad to see you go Steve if only because everywhere will be the same.

Despite all of that has been said, i still think the Broads is as good as it gets. Yep there are issues but doesn't everywhere have them?

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Hi Marshman. I don't think that the people of Kent, Yorkshire or anywhere else I can think of in the UK or abroad expect holiday makers to take their rubbish home with them, or have interpreted waste disposal regulations in a way that effectively makes it illegal for self-catering visitors to dispose of the waste they generate via the general waste stream. Local councils in Norfolk need to remember that tourism is a major source of income and that, like it or not, they are competing with many other places for thi cash.

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