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And do not forget TT that if all boats caused as much pollution as a non engine yacht there would be drastically reduced costs cleaning up polluted water.
Plus the broads and rivers need dredging to stop them turning to marshland which no boats can use. As has already been pointed out there is not a great deal of difference between the drafts of the two types in general.
The non polluting aspect certainly warrants a discount.

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Just how much money is spent each year in cleaning up polluted waters? Hickling, Oulton, the dredging is purely for the Yachting fraternity as was Barton and yes I'm aware of the funding for the Clearwater project, cutting down and cutting back of trees and bushes benefit Yachts not Mobos etc etc. As I said many many Yachts have auxillary engines less than 10hp and regularly use them so again the polution point is a little bit spurious.
Add to that de masting moorings and not to forget the additional pollution caused by Mobos have to use reverse gears and loads of revs to circumnavigate yachts and I think the balance moves very much back to an even cost and therefore no case for cheaper Tolls for Yachts.

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cutting back trees widens the rivers for all river users

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Opens up the Wind for yachts.

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We don't take out enough for that, it's usually just to widen the river or remove obstructions.

Andy

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MMM not sure about that AJB but your the expert so I'll not argue but if you look at it logically mobos don't need the River widening provided there is room for 1 boat to pass where as Yachts do.

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By all means cut back so that only two boats can pass each other in a straight line.....

Then come back next year and only one can pass alone....

Then the year after that two canoes can pass....

Then only one....

In 10 years two people in wellie boots can squelch their way along.....

10 years after than the RSPB or English Nature lay a trail for ramblers with sone nice seats to look over the marsh, teeming with wildlife and birds....and not a boat to be seen this side of the Great Ouse....

A joke?  Not for some, it's their agenda....

And it all started because you didn't want the rivers maintained.....

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No Cori all I'm saying is that certain works benefit Yachts more than they do Mobos, there is no justification for Yacht Tolls to be less than Mobos, IMHO of course.
In the days when engines were dirty smelly things discharging oil and cr*p into the Rivers there may have been a case, now days very little discharge occurs and I wonder if that is as much or harmful as the discharge from Yachts with Sea Toilets?


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Actually TT, I don't disagree with your point about toll distinctions, just your justifications....

Perhaps all boats should be charged the same per block area....private, hire, saily or mobo?

Hire craft pay more because (I believe) they use the rivers more, but my car costs the same to tax if I use it as a taxi and there's nothing (except work 40 hrs/week) stopping me using my boat as much as a hire craft.

Suggest all tolls are levelled between hire & private.  Mine and yours might double and Barnes' would drop by 30% or more but there might be more money available for maintenance and moorings and rangers etc.

On sea toilets, provided no chemicals are added (none in any I've seen) I don't see much difference between my discharge and the tons of duck, goose, fish and other stuff anyway...pick the time (prob not best in the marina with no flow) and it's all going downhill anyway.

Maybe we should pay more toll for a sea loo.

But my ob motor doesn't leave an oily slick on the water like some mobos I've seen, nor a blue fog behind like many of the Brundall Navy.

Maybe tolls should be based on the quantity of fuel burnt per year? I used about 5 gallons last year....

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Couple of points Cori, Car Parks aren't provided out of the license fee, neither is Policing, 2 of the major coats of running the system, If you had a car and parked it every day for the year you would spend much more than you would if you parked it 2 days a week for 6 months, for this reason alone Hire boats should pay more if you want to use the car analogy.
As for Sea Toilets, if there is no problem from this, why are all vessels not allowed them, if my boat was, I would save more money a year in pump outs than I spend in fuel, if I saved the approx £200 a year I spend on pump outs I would be happy to pay 30% more in Tolls.

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