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JanetAnne
Apr-28-2016 @ 7:16 PM                           Permalink
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With B.A. closing Breydon for what ever reasons since they took control are we not heading for the situation that we start to assume that if the rangers are not there turning boats back it would be deemed safe to cross irrespective of the conditions.

An inexperienced helm could, rightly, decide that, knowing the rangers take such action in adverse conditions, it is safe to proceed.

At the point you take responsibility it would seem unreasonable to just switch that responsibility on and off according to your working hours.

If I am a "woody" how come there are no "fibreglassy's" "plasticy's" or "steelies"?

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Apr-28-2016 @ 7:31 PM                           Permalink
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Evening JanetAnne,

Ultimately the responsibility rests with the individual helm.

We advise hire boats not to cross Breydon Water in times of adverse weather conditions, e.g. high winds or fog. I am not aware of anyone trying to cross when the weather has been really bad.

Consequently, I don't think we have used our Special Direction power to close Breydon since the navigation responsibility for the area was transferred to the Authority.

We provide cover for high water between 8:00 and 18:00 during the season giving advice to all boats about whether it is safe to transit Breydon and pass under the two bridges on the Bure.

We also provide advice and guidance on safely crossing Breydon in Broadcaster, in a special leaflet and in the NSBA's Green Book. Our staff at the Great Yarmouth Yacht Station also provide direct advice - largely to hirers - about the state of the tide and the best time to go across.

Even so, I am amazed, when I have been out on the Spirit of Breydon, at the number of hirers who think they can get under the bridges when it is obvious that can't be the case.

Hope that helps.

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John

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Ah ha JP! Gotcha on this one Smile

As per http://the-norfolk-broads.co.uk/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=56&Topic=38658 There have been a number of times that boats have been stuck under the Bure bridges, thus cutting off traffic, possibly late in the day, and a long run back to a safe harbour.

But away of communicating such issues might help Wink

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I wonder how 'closed' it wasn't to those turned back?

If the responsibility is ultimately the helms and the rangers are only offering 'advice' maybe that needs to be clearer at the point of delivery?

There are many threads on these forums using the word 'closed' and even one within this section asking for advance signage telling of its closure...

If I am a "woody" how come there are no "fibreglassy's" "plasticy's" or "steelies"?

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And sorry JP but to quote you elsewhere tonight

"However we do recognise we could be more active in promoting our own messages for example the recent Breydon Water closure–  – and getting other organisations’ alerts out there so are looking at how our social media is used".

for example the recent Breydon Water closure

If I am a "woody" how come there are no "fibreglassy's" "plasticy's" or "steelies"?

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My understanding is that the BA has some sort of agreement with the hire yards to give 'firm' advice to hire boat skippers, and that the advice to private owners is just that - advice.

Perhaps  JP could clarify this situation.

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