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rickh
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Yes but Dave yachts don't cause pollution , that's why under current proposals a white boat that's sail only goes up by nearly 10% but put an outboard on it a d the toll is reduced by over 17% .
Others no logic to BA's proposals other than to benefit sector's of the toll payer's that half the navigation committee have direct links too , one thing we can't say is its a cover up as its being played out in full view with absolutely no regard for the general view of the stakeholders ????.

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TT - I didn't think I was missing the point, as I agree with you.  I was trying to make a separate point that I did not think that suggesting sailies contributed less to the economy was helpful, and that whatever type of boat we happen to have, we should consider that all of us boaters are 'all in it together'.  Thus I specifically said that I was unhappy with the proposal, even if it does not hit me personally.

I did not address the hypotheses regarding the possible benefits of reducing tolls on small boats.  To prove a link would certainly be difficult.


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Nov-04-2016 @ 10:42 PM                           Permalink
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Thats the point I'm making Jeremy, it's nothing to do with what group contributes more but that is what the B.A. would want us to believe.

Dave

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Nov-04-2016 @ 10:49 PM                           Permalink
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TT.
Whilst I agree that there is no evidence either way for points A and B.... I think that you are skating on very thin ice with point C.

Many people who start out with small boats end up with bigger versions. Obvious fact. Therefore the more people that have small boat experience the more that will get bigger boats later in life.



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Most of the people I know who have "big boats" me included never had a small boat, most of the people I meet and talk to get into owning a boat by hiring one first and has as been said often buy ex hire boats they have hired previously.

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Another point, that some on here seem to miss.
There are many of us, including me, that prefer sailing on small boats to larger versions. I am sure that applies to Mobos to.

There is a rather patronising tone in some of the posts in this thread which suggest that some regard small boats as somehow less valid. A mere step on the path to owning a larger more relevant boat when finances allow.
Odd given the often stated disdain for "large bling boats" on the Broads. Is there an "acceptable" size range that makes one part of the "in crowd"?
Owning a small boat is very often a choice rather than a financial decision. I have owned a few larger boats in my time but always drift back to the 20ft or below craft as I find them far more exhilarating to sail and more in keeping with the natural environment in which I sail. Merely my opinion and choice of course.
Having a small boat is every bit as valid to any other size of craft. I am sure that many of the mass of sailing dinghy owners in Broadland would agree. They are probably the most numerous craft here.

Edit to add that this post crossed with TTs latest post and is in no way a response to it. It is a more general point.



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TT that may possibly be the case of Mobos but is certainly not the usual route for sailies.

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I really think your barking up the wrong tree as it were there Exile , snobbish behaviour doesn't exist on the rivers here down south , iv lots of friends with boats much bigger than mine and worth lots more up n to and including a broom 50 .
What should be happening right now is pulling together to try and make BA see the other side of the coin , incidentally I do know of several people who are considering leaving the broads over these proposals over and above those on here who have outlined their feelings and that's just the ones I know .

Richard

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