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As the new toll structure, which penalizes owners of ex and large hire craft, had the intention of encouraging the hire craft operators into  building more smaller hire craft.

Why are they not building them?

As the restructure has been bolloxed from the start, will the BA now step back and rethink their strategy and allow more input from the NSBA and the Nav Com?

And come up with a more sensible toll structure.

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Hi Richard

I am as agrieved  as you about the new structure but I doubt that they will worry about our concerns.

In simple terms they are charged with making the broads available To as wide a range of people as possible.

As such a private cruiser will only allow say twenty people to experience  the broads in a year whereas a six berth hire cruiser will allow  in the region of 1800 people ( based on 30 weeks hire ) to enjoy the broads over the same period .

To help the BA  meet its strategic  objective the hire fleets will  win every time.

Graham

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"As such a private cruiser will only allow say twenty people to experience  the broads in a year whereas a six berth hire cruiser will allow  in the region of 1800 people ( based on 30 weeks hire ) to enjoy the broads over the same period ."

I wouldn't want to be on the river when that 60 berth cruiser comes passed  Smile

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Indeed . Have you not seen the advert for Viking river cruises on the tv. They are eying up the broads as a new destination.

Sorry maths was never my strongpoint. I meant 180 which is still a lot more than 20 so I think my point remains valid

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What's more valid is that a hirecraft generates income, less toll expense, more income.

Private toll payer pays for the privilege of the Broads experience.

My real issue is the number of the HBO's on the committee who voted for their own financial issues, not for the good of the Broads.

If it walks like a duck, if if quacks like a duck and swims like a duck. It probably smells of duck sh*t.

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Well, that last line certainly made me smile  Cheers

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)

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Richard

As we have discussed, the intention by the Broads Authority members behind the new tolls structure was to make the system fairer and implement a straight line relationship between boat size and toll charge.

We hope that in turn this will encourage more private ownership of small craft and more entry level boating. Like any significant change the effects of this won’t be immediate. There has been no specific reference to hire craft operators building more smaller hire craft.

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John,

As the "toll" is in fact a charge levied by the Authority under Section 26 of the Harbours Act 1964, please can you detail the full procedure for any toll payer who wishes to appeal an unfair increase in the charge?

Just because The BA make a request, don't automatically assume they have the powers to make such requests!! Keeping a careful eye on an Authority which is making it's own rules.

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Dear Keith,

Have a read of the Harbours Act 1964 S. 31 or the Authority’s Complaints Procedure which you can find on our website.

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John


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John,

You seem a little coy in explaining the full procedure.

Just because The BA make a request, don't automatically assume they have the powers to make such requests!! Keeping a careful eye on an Authority which is making it's own rules.

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